One month of David Wells for Matt Kemp
Is Theo on crack? I'm starting to think that they shouldn't have resigned him after he walked out in a gorilla suit.
Other than the Wily Mo Pena / Arroyo deal, all of his trades this year have been terrible. Trading away Shoppach for Bard and then having to trade Bard away for Mirabelli because Bard couldn't catch a knuckler was just ridiculous. Then trading for Javy Lopez, who can't catch a fastball? Do the Sox even have scouts? I'm not saying that Matt Kemp would be terrible, but the Sox would have to be giving up Crisp or Ellsbury or something else to make it even remotely even. Why even waste time asking for something ludicrous like that.
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by jaffmasterj on Aug 30, 2006 10:00 AM EDT reply actions
Joke
Matt Kemp? God, I hope LA is laughing...
Why not?
by RandyKutcherHair on Aug 30, 2006 10:51 AM EDT reply actions
theo
By the way, where did you here that?
by the pinstripes on Aug 30, 2006 11:34 AM EDT reply actions
It's called "negotiating".
Besides, where's the source? How do you know someone like Ellsbury wasn't part of the offer?
more than likely
by the pinstripes on Aug 30, 2006 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
LA did give up Guzman for 2 months of Lugo...
I am glad Theo is asking for the moon. The Sox do need a good catcher for their farm system. I am sure Theo will probably try to add more player sin the deal to get something notable back, rather than just give up Wells for nothing significant.
by redsahx on Aug 30, 2006 11:53 AM EDT reply actions
Dodgers
Quick note
lugo
if he accepts, fine- move kent to 1b and dont resign nomar. but in reality, hes not going to accept when hes looking for a multi year payday.
Question about arb
by OneHitWonder @ Minor League Ball on Aug 30, 2006 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe so but...
Nope.
- If a player accepts arbitration, he gets a one-year contract, no matter what. Unless the team then decides to give him a long-term extension, which does happen. The Red Sox in the last couple of years have had players signed to one-year deals and then two months later signed them to multi-year deals.
- Lugo won't accept arbitration, because someone will give him a multi-year deal. Furthermore, if he for some reason did, the Dodgers could trade his one-year contract to someone for a good amount of value, as one-year contracts are gold as far as GMs are concerned. No long-term commitment.
by abbreviatedman on Aug 30, 2006 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Arb
by OneHitWonder @ Minor League Ball on Aug 30, 2006 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Rumor running around...
Kazmir
by RandyKutcherHair on Aug 30, 2006 11:56 AM EDT reply actions
I disagree
Theo must also recognize 28 other teams are now paying attention and can undercut him by offering the Dodgers a pitcher who can help next season too.
So Theo is now bargaining against the Indians, Mariners, Angels, A's (yeah, I think Beane would get into that despite his play-off chances) and so on.
If it is true (and the AZ Republic reports the Dbacks backed off after the Red Sox asked for too much),it was a foolish move by Theo.
by ephinz on Aug 30, 2006 11:59 AM EDT reply actions
+1
by natsfan2005 @ Minor League Ball on Aug 30, 2006 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Wrong
by RandyKutcherHair on Aug 30, 2006 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
No
I am surprised that isn't obvious.
by ephinz on Aug 30, 2006 12:17 PM EDT reply actions
I'm suprised
by RandyKutcherHair on Aug 30, 2006 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently
by ephinz on Aug 30, 2006 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Who else?
by RandyKutcherHair on Aug 30, 2006 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Wells for Kemp
I'm not saying he's worth Matt Kemp, but asking for him, especially when he's in demand and you hold all the cards, is a no-brainer. Maybe they don't get Kemp, but considering Ned Colletti, it's not out of the question that they get him, or a guy a level below him, a Blake DeWitt type (who was linked to Wells, at least by Rotoworld's musings).
Also, for those curious about the source, it's the Boston Herald.
by abbreviatedman on Aug 30, 2006 12:49 PM EDT reply actions
Re: Wells
http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B10230FLO2003.htm
Getting Roy Oswalt or Barry Zito for the stretch run you'd be much much more certain that the product will be on the field.
by natsfan2005 @ Minor League Ball on Aug 30, 2006 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
by abbreviatedman on Aug 30, 2006 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
nah
by natsfan2005 @ Minor League Ball on Aug 30, 2006 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder...
Why?
by SmokeyJoeWood on Aug 30, 2006 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude
by abbreviatedman on Aug 30, 2006 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
That was the point
I know I wouldn't.
Source?
Get off your lazy ass
Not to join the arguement
Also you (other you) could have gone to Rotoworld and dropped the arguement there.
Why this deal makes sense.
- Any pitcher traded after July 31st has to pass through waviers
- no other top pitcher passed through waviers
- David Wells did and therefore he can be dealt
- This means that the Red Sox have a monopoly on pitchers.
- there is also great demand for proven postseason pitchers this close to October (D-Backs, Cards, Padres, and Twins to name a few)
- therefore the Red Sox can demand a higher asking price and teams will be forced to meet it.
by thedude @ Minor League Ball on Aug 30, 2006 1:32 PM EDT reply actions
Why this deal doesn't make sense
re
Reminds me of the story about Steinbrenner insisting then GM Gene Michael inquire about Gregg Jeffries (the unanimous top prospect in baseball at the time) for a few past their prime veterans. Poor Michael knew he'd be the laughingstock of baseball if he proposed the trade but back then you didn't cross the Boss.
come again??
I don't think anyone
Having said that, if I were the GM of the Dodgers I would probably hang the phone up on him. You're right. It is insulting but I would have been more insulted to get offered Victor Zambrano for Scott Kazmir.
by the pinstripes on Aug 30, 2006 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Wells vs. Moyer
by abbreviatedman on Aug 30, 2006 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Right
I'm sure everyone here is more adept than Theo Epstein at negotiating protocal, especially in the area of Major League Baseball contracts. Might as well send in your resumes to John Henry.
Here's the deal, folks.
None of us know the whole story behind this trade offer.
Also, a friendly tip: Don't believe everything you hear from the Boston Herald... it's our version of the NY Post - a deceitful rag.
by SmokeyJoeWood on Aug 30, 2006 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
SmokeyJoe
by the pinstripes on Aug 30, 2006 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
totally agree...
This situation is one such example. Matt Kemp, who the LAD manager has compared in interviews to "Joe Dimaggio" and who is without a doubt a top 10 prospect for a month of a balky back?? no way.
thats an insult to the LAD.
by injosewetrust on Aug 30, 2006 1:58 PM EDT reply actions
Why do people keep acting...
I dont think Wells is worth Kemp, but Boston does have the only pitcher on the market that could make a difference to a contending team and as such they can set a high price. If a team really feels it needs another pitcher they have to pay up or risk losing out.
why do you think he passed through waivers?
He passed through waviers on August third
by thedude @ Minor League Ball on Aug 30, 2006 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
best pitchers in the AL?
2-2 since he came back with oppenents smacking .300 against him........
slow down the hype machine.....
value
That is a priceless line. Talk about taking a small sample completely out of context and spinning it. Sure, he has a sparkling 2.65 ERA in August, but he's given up 41 hits in 34.1 IP and his BAA was .299. Please ignore the fact that he is 43 years old and has only pitched 8 games all year. He might have some value to a contender, but the Red Sox will not get anything of consequence for that slug.
"Since yesterday Delmon Young has been one of the most valuable OF in the AL"
Delom Young
by the pinstripes on Aug 30, 2006 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Delmon too!
by the pinstripes on Aug 30, 2006 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Theo
by the pinstripes on Aug 30, 2006 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I am not saying Wells is a huge value
By the way, every young righthanded centerfielder is always compared to Joe Dimaggio, and yet very few ever become all stars. I am not trying to sell Kemp short but that is a fact.
by thedude @ Minor League Ball on Aug 30, 2006 2:05 PM EDT reply actions
This has to be a BS rumor
Good point
No way Kemp did - not that I'd put it past the Pirates management, but a toolsy OF getting past Jim Bowden??
by ephinz on Aug 30, 2006 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Kemp
Yes he is
by OneHitWonder @ Minor League Ball on Aug 30, 2006 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Kemp
He is on the 40 man, and he couldn't have gotten a callup earlier this year without having been on it. And he couldn't have gotten off the 40 man after his demotion without being outrighted and subjected to irrevocable waivers.
I stand corrected
What a joke
by RandyKutcherHair on Aug 30, 2006 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
The Red Sox and O's did that
by thedude @ Minor League Ball on Aug 30, 2006 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
if this happens
its not a threat, just something to think about Ned before you go do something absoultely retarded.
just a bit to add here
Do you people forget 9/30/1990
Again i am not saying that Matt Kemp will be traded for Wells, but that you underestimating wells value.
By the way saying Wells is fat and old is not a good argument when discussing his value.
by thedude @ Minor League Ball on Aug 30, 2006 3:45 PM EDT reply actions
Re: Wells
Sure it is. Value is a combination of expected return and risk. Clearly age and physical fitness are tied into risk, therefore they are tied into value. Do you expect Wells to be healthy for 2 months? I Sure don't.
here's the deal: I'm a sox fan, and I think offering wells for Kemp is stupid. I understand the theory of negotiations, I understand you start higher than you're typically willing to accept. But starting that high is going to do nothing but repel potential trading partners.
Imagine you walk into a car dealership, you're looking at a 2006 Camry, and you start talking price with the dealer
Dealer: "I'll sell it to you for $50,000!"
You: Running away
Dealer: "Ok, Ok, make it 20,000"
Negotiations are already over. Yes, start high, negotiate towards a happy medium, but for the love of God don't insult the other party.
Cannot compare
Bagwell turned into Bagwell, but that was more luck than anything else.
not at all
Of course, I agree with the general point that David Wells for Matt Kemp is not a fair offer. (I'm agnostic on whether it's an offer worth making just to see what happens.)
Yep.
Sheesh, I just admitted I was one of the first in the Wade Boggs Fan Club. That's pretty funny now.
LOL
by UncleMiltie on Aug 30, 2006 5:13 PM EDT reply actions
Re:
Also, I think I figured out what happened: Theo has been hanging out too much with the Drays front office
latest rumor
I heard this on ESPN Radio Boston (much better than those jackasses at WEEI by the way), as reported by the St. Louis Dispatch.
Does ESPN
by jaffmasterj on Aug 30, 2006 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
streaming
not sure if it streams all day, but you can listen to the Mike Felger show 4-7 PM.
Buster Olney is on right now, he said he thinks Wells ends up in San Diego or LA...
George Kottaras
by RandyKutcherHair on Aug 30, 2006 10:38 PM EDT reply actions
great deal
kottaras
by z4 landshark on Aug 30, 2006 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions

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