One month of David Wells for Matt Kemp

by delmonfan on Aug 30, 2006 9:56 AM EDT Comment 89 comments

Is Theo on crack? I'm starting to think that they shouldn't have resigned him after he walked out in a gorilla suit.

Other than the Wily Mo Pena / Arroyo deal, all of his trades this year have been terrible. Trading away Shoppach for Bard and then having to trade Bard away for Mirabelli because Bard couldn't catch a knuckler was just ridiculous. Then trading for Javy Lopez, who can't catch a fastball? Do the Sox even have scouts? I'm not saying that Matt Kemp would be terrible, but the Sox would have to be giving up Crisp or Ellsbury or something else to make it even remotely even. Why even waste time asking for something ludicrous like that.

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Because

It's 1 day before the deadline, teams are desperate for a 3rd starter for the playoffs and Wells is one of the best money pitchers around. He's coming off 4 quality starts as well. Why NOT ask for the moon? It's worth it to see how desperate teams are.

by jaffmasterj on Aug 30, 2006 10:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Joke

If anyone trades anything of significant value to get Wells, it will be a major mistake. Sure, he pitches well in big games, but you have to question whether he can even make it to October healthy.

Matt Kemp? God, I hope LA is laughing...

by jc3 on Aug 30, 2006 10:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Hahahahha

I just lost all respect for Theo. Are we still in the 90s? LOL

by yoda1 on Aug 30, 2006 10:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Why not?

Why shouldn't Theo shoot for the moon in trade talks? It's a negotiation process and I'm sure there was a lot of back and forth in trade talks that aren't reported. I'm sure there are at least three NL teams that would love to have Wells for the playoffs and Theo will be able to play them off each other to get something of sunstance for the free agent to be.

by RandyKutcherHair on Aug 30, 2006 10:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

theo

there is nothing wrong with asking for Matt Kemp. Hey, look no further than what Bowden did to Krivsky. It could happen to you!

By the way, where did you here that?

"Baseball is 90% mental, the other half is physical" - Yogi Berra

by the pinstripes on Aug 30, 2006 11:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

It's called "negotiating".

Usually the first offer in any trade discussion is uneven. Negotiations 101...

Besides, where's the source? How do you know someone like Ellsbury wasn't part of the offer?

by SmokeyJoeWood on Aug 30, 2006 11:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

more than likely

it was Wells and Pedroia. .... :-)

"Baseball is 90% mental, the other half is physical" - Yogi Berra

by the pinstripes on Aug 30, 2006 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

A steal!..

...for the Dodgers. LOL

by SmokeyJoeWood on Aug 30, 2006 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

LA did give up Guzman for 2 months of Lugo...

...if DePodesta were still in charge, Theo would have gotten laughed at with that offer. However, the Dodgers did give up Guzman plus another decent prospect to rent Julio Lugo for 2 months so why not ask?

I am glad Theo is asking for the moon. The Sox do need a good catcher for their farm system. I am sure Theo will probably try to add more player sin the deal to get something notable back, rather than just give up Wells for nothing significant.

by redsahx on Aug 30, 2006 11:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Dodgers

The Dodgers gave up Guzman for two months of Lugo and two high draft picks. Seems like a fair deal to me.

by rwperu34 on Aug 30, 2006 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Quick note

They have to offer Lugo arbitration to get the picks as compensation and he would almost certainly be awarded more than they should spend for him so they might not be able to get those picks.

by grozzy on Aug 30, 2006 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

lugo

lugos going to be the best SS on the free agent market this winter and will get a multi year deal. Offering him arb is no brainer.

if he accepts, fine- move kent to 1b and dont resign nomar. but in reality, hes not going to accept when hes looking for a multi year payday.

by npurcell on Aug 30, 2006 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Question about arb

Can't a team just not offer him a contract if he accepts. Isn't that what happened with Weaver last year?

by OneHitWonder on Aug 30, 2006 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I believe so but...

.. I dont think they get any compensation then.

by grozzy on Aug 30, 2006 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nope.

If a player accepts arbitration, he gets a one-year contract, no matter what. Unless the team then decides to give him a long-term extension, which does happen. The Red Sox in the last couple of years have had players signed to one-year deals and then two months later signed them to multi-year deals.
Lugo won't accept arbitration, because someone will give him a multi-year deal. Furthermore, if he for some reason did, the Dodgers could trade his one-year contract to someone for a good amount of value, as one-year contracts are gold as far as GMs are concerned. No long-term commitment.

by abbreviatedman on Aug 30, 2006 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Contract

Once a player accepts arbitration, he is signed. It's just a matter of determining the salary.

by rwperu34 on Aug 30, 2006 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Arb

He's not going to accept arb there, guarenteed. He's already said he doesn't like being used as a utility player, and you don't get to your FA years and take a 1 year deal when you're as talented as he is...this contract only comes once.

by OneHitWonder on Aug 30, 2006 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rumor running around...

that compensation picks will be done away with, although I am not sure that can be implemented as soon as June 2007.

by cooper7d7 on Aug 30, 2006 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Kazmir

Look at what the D'Rays were able to get for Zambrano. Anything is possible.

by RandyKutcherHair on Aug 30, 2006 11:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I disagree

If one side asks too high a price, the other concludes there is no middle ground to meet.

Theo must also recognize 28 other teams are now paying attention and can undercut him by offering the Dodgers a pitcher who can help next season too.

So Theo is now bargaining against the Indians, Mariners, Angels, A's (yeah, I think Beane would get into that despite his play-off chances) and so on.

If it is true (and the AZ Republic reports the Dbacks backed off after the Red Sox asked for too much),it was a foolish move by Theo.

by ephinz on Aug 30, 2006 11:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

+1

Bobby Crosby - a poor man's Adam Everett.

by natsfan2005 on Aug 30, 2006 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wrong

I think the teams involved in talks with the red Sox understand that Wells is pitching very well right now; but will probably retire after this season. Wells is a proven performer down the stretch and in the playoffs and is at a very affordable price due to the incentives he will not reach this year because of his time missed. Name another pitcher who is in the same class for the money that can be had at this point in the season?

by RandyKutcherHair on Aug 30, 2006 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No

If Matt Kemp is availabe, the pool of pitcher expands to nearly all of them.

I am surprised that isn't obvious.

by ephinz on Aug 30, 2006 12:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm suprised

You don't understand how negotiations work.

by RandyKutcherHair on Aug 30, 2006 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Apparently

Who taught you how to deal with people in a competitive environment?

by ephinz on Aug 30, 2006 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Who else?

Please tell me one pitcher better then Wells who has already passed through waivers that contending teams can trade for right now? There isn't enough time for another quality pitcher to pass through waivers without being claimed so Wells is the best out there that can help in the playoffs. Teams don't have any other options.

by RandyKutcherHair on Aug 30, 2006 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wells for Kemp

You're getting a guy who's on fire lately (2.65 ERA in 5 starts with 6.8 IP per start). You're also getting a guy who's done really well in the postseason overall and in big games (for what that's worth). And you're not getting him for one month, you're getting him for two, assuming you make the postseason, which teams like the Dodgers, Mets, Cardinals, and As can basically count on. Not only that, this is essentially the only pitcher available. Plus, his knee problem means his arm is totally fresh.

I'm not saying he's worth Matt Kemp, but asking for him, especially when he's in demand and you hold all the cards, is a no-brainer. Maybe they don't get Kemp, but considering Ned Colletti, it's not out of the question that they get him, or a guy a level below him, a Blake DeWitt type (who was linked to Wells, at least by Rotoworld's musings).

Also, for those curious about the source, it's the Boston Herald.

by abbreviatedman on Aug 30, 2006 12:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Wells

You left out that he is also a fragile blob with a back problem that could be done for the season after any given inning. This is a guy who went into operation shutdown after one inning in game 5 of the 2003 W.S. after being healthy the whole year.

http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B10230FLO2003.htm

Getting Roy Oswalt or Barry Zito for the stretch run you'd be much much more certain that the product will be on the field.

Bobby Crosby - a poor man's Adam Everett.

by natsfan2005 on Aug 30, 2006 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes.

But he at least seems healthy now, and none of those pitchers are available. Betting on him for one month (or two if you're in the postseason) is a good bet, especially when the alternative is nothing.

by abbreviatedman on Aug 30, 2006 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

nah

If the bet is small maybe. No way it's a top20 prospect in baseball kinda bet. You can't risk that for a gimp much less only September onward of said gimp.

Bobby Crosby - a poor man's Adam Everett.

by natsfan2005 on Aug 30, 2006 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wonder...

if the shoe was on the other foot and the Dodgers asked for Ellsbury, Lester, or Pedroia for Greg Maddux if the Red Sox fans here would be as open-minded about Ned Colletti's "negotiation tactic"...

by jc3 on Aug 30, 2006 1:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Why?

As long as that deal isn't accepted, no, I don't think we would be calling Ned Colletti "a crackhead" or whatever. Plenty of bad trades were offered to the Sox over the course of the season. Julio Lugo for this, Corey Lidle for that. It's all part of the business, knowledgable fans know that.

by SmokeyJoeWood on Aug 30, 2006 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dude

If the Sox were in a pennant race and short of pitching, that would be entirely different. And also, Wells is more attractive right now than Maddux was when he was traded (when he was pitching TERRIBLY). And right now there are no other pitchers available, as well.

by abbreviatedman on Aug 30, 2006 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That was the point

If the Red Sox were in the race and needed pitching, would you be willing to part with one of the best prospects in baseball for a David Wells-type pitcher?

I know I wouldn't.

by jc3 on Aug 30, 2006 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Source?

Lazy? Read rotoworld.com once in a while.

by delmonfan on Aug 30, 2006 1:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Get off your lazy ass

and type "David Wells" into the search box on Rotoworld. I don't have time to spoon feed you, babykins.

by delmonfan on Aug 30, 2006 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not to join the arguement

With less effort than it took to argue this you could have just made a post with the link in it.

Also you (other you) could have gone to Rotoworld and dropped the arguement there.

by grozzy on Aug 30, 2006 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why this deal makes sense.

Any pitcher traded after July 31st has to pass through waviers
no other top pitcher passed through waviers
David Wells did and therefore he can be dealt
This means that the Red Sox have a monopoly on pitchers.
there is also great demand for proven postseason pitchers this close to October (D-Backs, Cards, Padres, and Twins to name a few)
therefore the Red Sox can demand a higher asking price and teams will be forced to meet it.

by thedude on Aug 30, 2006 1:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Why this deal doesn't make sense

david wells is an over-the-hill pitcher well past his prime who is one injury away from retirement.....there is a reason he passed through waivers.....theo is being an ass with his insulting demands, and if he wants to keep playing silly games like that he'll be left holding the bag.....wells isn't that important to anyone

by Wheelhouse on Aug 30, 2006 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

re

Negotiating is one thing. Insulting another GM with a preposterous trade is another.

Reminds me of the story about Steinbrenner insisting then GM Gene Michael inquire about Gregg Jeffries (the unanimous top prospect in baseball at the time) for a few past their prime veterans. Poor Michael knew he'd be the laughingstock of baseball if he proposed the trade but back then you didn't cross the Boss.

by ScottAZ on Aug 30, 2006 1:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

come again??

I agree with Scott, it is absolutely an absurd proposal and I honestly can't believe there are this many people that are trying to defend it as a logical proposition. Let me ask those who defended this proposal this, how much better is wells than Jamie Moyer, if at all? He was traded only a few weeks ago for two mid level prospects, not one of the top 15 best prospects in all of baseball. Come on guys, you just lose credibility defending crap like this.

by neutralluke on Aug 30, 2006 1:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I don't think anyone

on here is saying this wouldn't be a stupid trade if the Dodgers were to do it but quite frankly deals like this do happen. I am of the opinion that certain GM's are stupid and will make bonehead moves.

Having said that, if I were the GM of the Dodgers I would probably hang the phone up on him. You're right. It is insulting but I would have been more insulted to get offered Victor Zambrano for Scott Kazmir.

"Baseball is 90% mental, the other half is physical" - Yogi Berra

by the pinstripes on Aug 30, 2006 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wells vs. Moyer

Moyer had a 5.40 ERA in August when he was traded, and hadn't pitched well all year. And that's in SafeCo versus Fenway.

by abbreviatedman on Aug 30, 2006 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Right

So the logical explanation is that one of the most well-respected GMs in the game offered an absurd an insulting proposal to another GM, (because fans on an internet message board say so)... and those who don't go along with this opinion lose all credibility. Fine, I have no credibility.

I'm sure everyone here is more adept than Theo Epstein at negotiating protocal, especially in the area of Major League Baseball contracts. Might as well send in your resumes to John Henry.

Here's the deal, folks.
None of us know the whole story behind this trade offer.
Also, a friendly tip: Don't believe everything you hear from the Boston Herald... it's our version of the NY Post - a deceitful rag.

by SmokeyJoeWood on Aug 30, 2006 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

SmokeyJoe

you are a pretty bright guy. Are you sure you're not a closet Yankee fan? What a waste.

"Baseball is 90% mental, the other half is physical" - Yogi Berra

by the pinstripes on Aug 30, 2006 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

damn

I've been outed...

by SmokeyJoeWood on Aug 30, 2006 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

totally agree...

for all those who have used the "starting point" excuse you have to realize that at some point an uneven starting point is an insult.

This situation is one such example. Matt Kemp, who the LAD manager has compared in interviews to "Joe Dimaggio" and who is without a doubt a top 10 prospect for a month of a balky back?? no way.

thats an insult to the LAD.

by injosewetrust on Aug 30, 2006 1:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Why do people keep acting...

... like there are other pitchers availible that would make a difference in the postseason? Zito, Oswalt, etc would not make it through waivers and as such they arent going to be able to be dealt.

I dont think Wells is worth Kemp, but Boston does have the only pitcher on the market that could make a difference to a contending team and as such they can set a high price. If a team really feels it needs another pitcher they have to pay up or risk losing out.

by grozzy on Aug 30, 2006 2:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

why do you think he passed through waivers?

the demand for wells is not that great.....i don't think any team inquiring about him is worried about the "risk of losing out".....if teams were worried about that he wouldn't have cleared waivers

by Wheelhouse on Aug 30, 2006 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He passed through waviers on August third

When he was just coming off the DL. He has since then he has been one of the best pitchers in the AL

by thedude on Aug 30, 2006 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

best pitchers in the AL?

jeez, is this theo?

2-2 since he came back with oppenents smacking .300 against him........

slow down the hype machine.....

by Wheelhouse on Aug 30, 2006 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

value

"He has since then he has been one of the best pitchers in the AL"

That is a priceless line. Talk about taking a small sample completely out of context and spinning it. Sure, he has a sparkling 2.65 ERA in August, but he's given up 41 hits in 34.1 IP and his BAA was .299. Please ignore the fact that he is 43 years old and has only pitched 8 games all year. He might have some value to a contender, but the Red Sox will not get anything of consequence for that slug.

"Since yesterday Delmon Young has been one of the most valuable OF in the AL"

by rhodehead on Aug 30, 2006 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Delom Young

for president!

"Baseball is 90% mental, the other half is physical" - Yogi Berra

by the pinstripes on Aug 30, 2006 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Delmon too!

"Baseball is 90% mental, the other half is physical" - Yogi Berra

by the pinstripes on Aug 30, 2006 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Theo

is that you?

"Baseball is 90% mental, the other half is physical" - Yogi Berra

by the pinstripes on Aug 30, 2006 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I am not saying Wells is a huge value

But that people are Way under estimating the value Wells has in the trade market. He has been Lights out since coming off the DL. Some team that wants to put their team over the top will pay for him.

By the way, every young righthanded centerfielder is always compared to Joe Dimaggio, and yet very few ever become all stars. I am not trying to sell Kemp short but that is a fact.

by thedude on Aug 30, 2006 2:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

This has to be a BS rumor

OK, I'll believe that Wells cleared waivers, but does anyoen really believe in their right mind that 25 teams passed Kemp on waivers and that the Red Sox were able to claim him, or that he cleared waivers. I have no doubt that Kemp can't possibly be traded except as a PBTNL, and the Dodgers could always go back on their word at that point (which is why a PBTNL is almost never anyone good, unless it's an injury situation) because it would be a violation of the rules if they actually had an agreement that it would be Kemp heading over.

by Brickhaus on Aug 30, 2006 2:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Good point

Any player on the 40-man must pass through waivers.

No way Kemp did - not that I'd put it past the Pirates management, but a toolsy OF getting past Jim Bowden??

by ephinz on Aug 30, 2006 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Kemp

Matt Kemp is not on the 40 man roster.

by rwperu34 on Aug 30, 2006 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes he is

You can't be in the majors unless you are.

by OneHitWonder on Aug 30, 2006 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Minors

Kemp is in the minors.

by rwperu34 on Aug 31, 2006 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Kemp

http://losangeles.dodgers.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/roster_40man.jsp?c_id=la

He is on the 40 man, and he couldn't have gotten a callup earlier this year without having been on it. And he couldn't have gotten off the 40 man after his demotion without being outrighted and subjected to irrevocable waivers.

by limozeen on Aug 31, 2006 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I stand corrected

I was looking at the ESPN roster, which is only the 25 man plus DL.

by rwperu34 on Aug 31, 2006 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

What a joke

Are you kidding me? You are suggesting that a GM should trade a player as the PTBNL and then go back on their word and try to change the player? That's not how it works and if a GM tried to do that he would lose credibility very quickly throughout baseball.

by RandyKutcherHair on Aug 30, 2006 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Red Sox and O's did that

The d-Rays blocked Adam Stern being traded to the O's for Javy Lopez. The Red Sox Agreed to trade him as a PTBNL. If a GM broke an agreement like that no one would ever deal with him again.

by thedude on Aug 30, 2006 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

if this happens

dodger fans everywhere we revolt and Colletti wont be alive 24 hours after the trade (if it is made).

its not a threat, just something to think about Ned before you go do something absoultely retarded.

by npurcell on Aug 30, 2006 2:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

just a bit to add here

you all can stop mentioning oswalt in the group of pitchers who may or may not be available. the astros signed him to a 5-year extension ($73M) yesterday.

by jpahk on Aug 30, 2006 3:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Do you people forget 9/30/1990

When Bagwell was traded for Larry Anderson? It shows you the value of pitching this close to the postseason.

Again i am not saying that Matt Kemp will be traded for Wells, but that you underestimating wells value.

By the way saying Wells is fat and old is not a good argument when discussing his value.

by thedude on Aug 30, 2006 3:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

8/30/1990

My bad.

by thedude on Aug 30, 2006 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Wells

"By the way saying Wells is fat and old is not a good argument when discussing his value."

Sure it is. Value is a combination of expected return and risk. Clearly age and physical fitness are tied into risk, therefore they are tied into value. Do you expect Wells to be healthy for 2 months? I Sure don't.

here's the deal: I'm a sox fan, and I think offering wells for Kemp is stupid. I understand the theory of negotiations, I understand you start higher than you're typically willing to accept. But starting that high is going to do nothing but repel potential trading partners.

Imagine you walk into a car dealership, you're looking at a 2006 Camry, and you start talking price with the dealer

Dealer: "I'll sell it to you for $50,000!"
You: Running away
Dealer: "Ok, Ok, make it 20,000"

Negotiations are already over. Yes, start high, negotiate towards a happy medium, but for the love of God don't insult the other party.

by Jgaztambide on Aug 30, 2006 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cannot compare

Bagwell was one year away from Rookie ball and was not one of the Red Sox top ten prospects at the time of the trade! Kemp is one of the top ten prospects in the entire game of baseball and has already proved himself at the major league level.

Bagwell turned into Bagwell, but that was more luck than anything else.

by ScottAZ on Aug 30, 2006 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

not at all

Anyone who knew about park effects knew that hitting .333 at AA New Britain at the age of 22 made Bagwell very special. New Britain was an extreme pitchers' park. Bill James famously predicted before Bagwell ever played a major league game that if he had been able to Fenway, he would "win some batting titles." I dunno what Baseball America thought of him, but statheads sure as hell knew.

Of course, I agree with the general point that David Wells for Matt Kemp is not a fair offer. (I'm agnostic on whether it's an offer worth making just to see what happens.)

and boom goes the dynamite.

by Mean Dean on Aug 30, 2006 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

re

Were there even a such thing as "statheads" back in 1990?

by ScottAZ on Aug 31, 2006 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yes.

and boom goes the dynamite.

by Mean Dean on Aug 31, 2006 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yep.

I was in the Wade Boggs fan club (which I think started his rookie year) and the guy who ran the club would send out newsletters with Wade's stats for EVERY count, stadium, runners on, home/away, etc. and a ton of other stats which are now used by everyone.

Sheesh, I just admitted I was one of the first in the Wade Boggs Fan Club. That's pretty funny now.

by The Colonel on Aug 31, 2006 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Its okay

as long as you tell me you're weren't a grown man at the time

by ScottAZ on Aug 31, 2006 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOL

at Red Sox fans defending Theo. Asking for the moon isn't going to get you anywhere in negotiations. Always ask for more (but not so much that it becomes insulting). Jim Bowden asked for Russell Martin AND Chad Billingsley or Matt Kemp for Soriano. That's where the conversations between Colletti and Bowden ended according to reports.

by UncleMiltie on Aug 30, 2006 5:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Re:

Let's get it straight, not all sox fans are defending Theo

Also, I think I figured out what happened: Theo has been hanging out too much with the Drays front office

by Jgaztambide on Aug 30, 2006 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

latest rumor

Theo asked for one of Adam Wainwright, Chris Duncan or Colby Rasmus in exchange for David Wells. St. Louis countered with one or two lower level prospects, which was rejected by the Sox.

I heard this on ESPN Radio Boston (much better than those jackasses at WEEI by the way), as reported by the St. Louis Dispatch.

by rhodehead on Aug 30, 2006 5:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Does ESPN

stream it online? Thanks for posting that by the way.

by jaffmasterj on Aug 30, 2006 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

streaming

http://www.espnboston.com/

not sure if it streams all day, but you can listen to the Mike Felger show 4-7 PM.

Buster Olney is on right now, he said he thinks Wells ends up in San Diego or LA...

by rhodehead on Aug 30, 2006 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks Rhodehead

by jaffmasterj on Aug 30, 2006 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

olney reporting

padres are close to dealing kottaras for wells.

wow.

by npurcell on Aug 30, 2006 10:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

George Kottaras

What do you guys think of catcher George Kottaras? I like the idea of the red Sox adding a catcher since they really don't have one that is close to ready to take over for Tek when he is done or even be his backup to help learn the ways.

by RandyKutcherHair on Aug 30, 2006 10:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

great deal

for red sox. I dont know how the padres can give up one of their few decent prospects unless they believe what bard is doing isnt a fluke.

by npurcell on Aug 30, 2006 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

kottaras

nice deal for the sox; a good defender and he gets on base

Giants '08

by z4 landshark on Aug 30, 2006 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good Deal

V Tec cant have too many more years behind home plate left. With a bum knee, I bet we see him shift over to first, opening up behind the plate for someone that can hit and not named Doug.

by ChrisRef19 on Aug 31, 2006 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

hmm

His name better be "Brian McCann", "Joe Mauer" or "Victor Martinez" to make up for the fact that you're gonna have one of the worst first basemen in baseball. Seriously, why the heck would you want to move Varitek to 1B?? He's a Gold Glove catcher with a good bat... for a catcher. Moving him to 1B would deprive him of virtually all of his defensive value, and most of his offensive value as well.

and boom goes the dynamite.

by Mean Dean on Aug 31, 2006 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Kottaras

Nice lefty bat. Hits Rs and gets on base. Knock on him is that he doesn't hit Ls but who cares? Sign a Mirabelli-type (yeah, I know he sucks now) that hits Ls (this of course after V-Tek retires). He pops up on a few top 100 lists out there. Good return for the big tub of goo.

by The Colonel on Aug 31, 2006 2:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs