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Top 20 Tigers PRE-SEASON Prospects

Top 20 PRE-SEASON Tigers Prospects in Review

    This is the PRE-SEASON list. That means it was generated BEFORE THE SEASON STARTED and that the grades were PRE-SEASON. Anyone complaining about the grades based on 2006 performance will be smacked up the side of the head with a Shane Loux autographed baseball.

1) Justin Verlander, RHP, Grade A
     10-4, 3.01 in 111 innings with a 69/33 K/BB. His strikeout rate is lower than I expected, but the bottom line is that he has a chance to win 20 games in his rookie season. Hard to complain about that.

2) Joel Zumaya, RHP, B+
     2.08 ERA in 36 games out of the bullpen, 54/20 K/BB in 43 innings. Very impressive season in middle relief.

3) Cameron Maybin, OF, B
     Hitting .314/.412/.466 with 16 steals in 52 games for West Michigan. Good points: batting average, speed, high walk rate. Bad points: high strikeout rate (66 in 191 at-bats), lack of home run power.

4) Brent Clevlen, OF, B
     Hitting .219/.304/.324 with a 36/102 BB/K in 306 at-bats. Inability to make contact against advanced pitching is a bad sign.

5) Jordan Tata, RHP, B-
    3.34 ERA in 11 starts for Triple-A Toledo, 3.86 ERA in seven games for the Tigers. A solid prospect though not in the same class as Verlander or Zumaya.

6) Tony Giarratano, SS, C+
    Hitting .283/.340/.390 in 67 games for Double-A Erie, with 16 steals. Lack of pop may be a problem but he should make it in at least a utility role.

7) Jeff Larish, 1B, C+
    Hitting .249/.364/.479 with 15 homers, 51 walks, 72 strikeouts in 309 at-bats for Class A Lakeland. Good power and patience, batting average is rather low.

8) Jeff Frazier, OF, C+
    Hitting .231/.272/.339 in 86 games for Lakeland, very disappointing.

9) Kevin Whelan, RHP, C+
    3.34 ERA with 41/20 K/BB and 19 saves in 30 innings for Lakeland. Throws very hard, needs better control.

10) Clete Thomas, OF, C+
      Hitting .262/.339/.386 with 12 steals for Lakeland. Mediocre numbers overall, strikeout rate is quite high (93 in 83 games).

11) Michael Hollimon, SS, C+
     Hitting .278/.388/.462 with 24 doubles and nine steals in 289 at-bats for West Michigan. Strikeout rate is high and he's a bit old for the league, but showing a lot of gap power and good patience.

12) Matt Joyce, OF, C+
     Hitting .262/.334/.400 for West Michigan. Not exactly terrible, but nothing stands out as a major positive either.

13) Jair Jurrjens, RHP, C+
      Combined 8-0, 2.16 in 16 starts between Lakeland and Erie, 76/17 K/BB in 96 innings. Throws strikes, has adjusted well to Double-A so far, a sleeper.

14) Eulogio De La Cruz, RHP, C+
      3.79 ERA with 46/28 K/BB in 58 innings for Erie. Best mark is just one homer allowed but needs to improve command.

15) P.J. Finigan, RHP, C+
     3.44 ERA in 55 innings for Lakeland, used as both a starter and reliever. Throws strikes but strikeout rate is rather low.

16) Chris Robinson, C, C+
      Hitting .278/.331/.348 in 68 games for Lakeland. Lack of power looks like a problem.

17) Wilkin Ramirez, 3B, C
      Hitting .226/.260/.395 for Lakeland. Poor strike zone judgment a major issue inhibiting his production.

18) Humberto Sanchez, RHP, C
      10-4, 1.89 in 17 starts combined between Erie and Toledo, 117/37 K/BB in 109 innings, just 79 hits. Better health and more consistent command resulting in excellent numbers. Throws quite hard and is breaking through this year. Raise his grade to B+.

19) Kody Kirkland, 3B, C
      Hitting .223/.291/.471 with 17 homers, 15 walks, 108 strikeouts, 20 doubles for Erie. Lots of power, high ISP numbers, but horrible plate discipline ruins his OBP.

20) Dallas Trahern, RHP, C
      3-9, 3.88 in 17 starts for Lakeland, 60/25 K/BB in 97 innings. A competent A-ball pitcher with good control, but K/IP and H/IP marks don't translate well to higher levels.

Comment:
   Verlander and Zumaya are terrific, and Humberto Sanchez has made huge progress. Jordan Tata rounds out a top-notch young pitching quartet. The hitting is a different story. Maybin looks good, but there are more disappointments on this list than breakthroughs. Still, anytime your farm system produces an excellent starter, an excellent reliever, and two other good pitching prospects, you should be happy. Also note the development of Curtis Granderson, who had too much experience in the majors last year to be on this list.

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John

 where would u rank Andrew Miller if/when he signs?

 as of now i have the top 4 of:

 Cameron Maybin
 Humberto Sanchez
 Andrew Miller
 Jordan Tata

 theres a strong case to have Sanchez #1 as i think he's proved he's one of if not the best pitcher in the minors this year(kinda resembles a right handed CC Sabathia to me)

 however i am thuroughly impressed by all of Maybins tools.

 would Andrew Miller rank high then where i have him slotted?

by High Heater on Jul 10, 2006 6:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know about Jon
But I would put Miller above Sanchez....  I like Millers stuff more than Sanchez.

by VtTigers on Jul 10, 2006 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i disagree slightly...
... only because I think that although Miller has as good or slightly better stuff, Sanchez has been impressing across levels and is looking great.

I would rank them:
1) Maybin, A-
The walk rate and contact rate really impress me, as does the speed and what Ive heard about him defensively. The K rate can be worked on and he will certainly grow into more power. Still looks elite to me.

2) Sanchez, B+
I admit I am stealing Johns grade, but he seems to be dominating across levels and all I hear are raves about his stuff. Really reminds me a lot of Zumaya from last year from how people are talking (not stuff-wise but reaction and hype). I think he has a chance to be very good either out of the pen or in the 5th spot. Probably going to cause my Tigers fav Wil Ledezma to never get another chance starting with the Tigers.

3) Miller, B+
Great stuff, needs to get signed and start showing some results. I have some concerns about his command though at the same time I am figuring that his arm is going to help him move quickly. Could quickly get a higher or lower grade. Yet another reason that Ledezma will never get another starting shot (well him and Miner and Tata and Sanchez)

A side note, I think the Tigers could use Sanchez, Tata, Ledezma or Miner in an effort to get a  big bat or something at the trade deadline. As much as I'd love to see us keep our young pitching around, I think we need the bat and all of them are young and good to very good talents.

by grozzy on Jul 10, 2006 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Miller vs Sanchez
Sanchez - injury history including TJ surgery in college.  He stays in the 93-95 range with a hard sinking fastball. His offspeed stuff has improved this season.  

Miller - not much in the way of injury history.  Ranges from 94-97 on his four seamer from what I saw.  He also has a decent 2 seamer and his slider is unhittable when it is on.  He needs to improve his command.

While I agree that Sanchez is a B+ and Miller is likely also a B+ or possibly an A-.  He is a better prospect in my eyes.  Both are very good prospects, I just think that Miller is better overall.

Miller needs to sign before REALLY entering into these discussions.  But that won't happen until September more than likely.

by VtTigers on Jul 10, 2006 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

as of now

 there just isnt any way not to include Sanchez with Hughes & Bailey. he's had that type of season, and the projectability was always there

by High Heater on Jul 11, 2006 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some disappointments and some breakthroughs
Really disappointed with the hitting across the system this season.  However I am really happy with the pitching....

I have to say that I think that it is important to note that Jair is only 20 years old.  The fact that he has reached AA and pitched well is pretty big.

I would rank him above Jordan Tata right now.

You are right on saying that while there are disappointments you have to be happy with the system overall and its recent ability to produce MLB level talents in Granderson, Verlander, and Zumaya.

They are pretty deep with pitching...  And someone not even on your preseason list has looked good in the majors in Zach Miner even though he has bouted with command a bit.

by VtTigers on Jul 10, 2006 7:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Whelan
I'd say it's a bit simplistic to look at Whelan's walk rate and say that he needs to improve his control.

Looks to me like he went through a rough patch in May, but came out of it unscathed in June and July

April: 8.2 IP, 4 BB, 11 K
May: 7.1, 13, 8
June: 10.2, 3, 17
July: 2, 0, 3

May was a problem, and he lost his control there, but it impressed me to see him come out of that stretch alive.

by Edman85 on Jul 10, 2006 7:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Zach Miner?
Wondering about your thoughts on him.  He's not on the top 20 but so far he's 6-1 with a 2.57 ERA in the majors.  Peripherals are okay but not great (29 K/13 BB, 38 H in 42 IP) but what do you think about his long-term prospects?

by Tcs5384 on Jul 10, 2006 7:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My 2 cents
I'd be careful about expecting too much from Miner.  He's never had very good control at any level, and I think there's a good chance the league figures him out pretty quick.  The defense behind him has been excellent, though, which has helped hide the fact that he walks too many and doesn't strike out enough to be successful.

I see him as a solid RP down the road.  If he can get his control under wraps and induce GBs with his sinker/slider combo, he could be a good guy to bring in with runners on.

by Yakker on Jul 11, 2006 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bert now considered a B+...
With Humberto Sanchez being upgraded to a B+ and given his combined numbers this season could he actually be ranked AHEAD of Joel Zumaya given that Bert looks to be a starter whereas Zoom is likely out of the pen for his career, though could make a elite closer?  

by BaseballJonze on Jul 10, 2006 7:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

why?
Zumaya posted better numbers last year in AAA while being 3 years younger. Humberto is hardly a pitcher that often go deep into games and frankly he doesn't have a complete repetoire to start either. Zumaya is much better

by playingwithfire on Jul 11, 2006 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ummm...
While I agree with you that Zumaya is better than Sanchez, I don't know where you get the idea that Humberto doesn't go deep into games.  In 6 AAA starts, Humberto has pitched 37.2 innings, which averages out to just under 6.3 per start.  I really don't think that's a bad average, especially for your first six starts at a new level.

Furthermore, he averaged just over 6.5 innings per start in AA this year.  I don't know what your average pitcher does, but it seems like he is going between 6 and 7 innings per start, which leaves 2 or 3 innings for the bullpen.  That's fine with me.

by TheCouga on Jul 12, 2006 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now that I look up other prospects...
Humberto goes deeper into games than everyone else I could find.  Deeper than Perfrey, Garza, Bailey, Billignsly....you name it.  The only top pitching prospect I could find that was even close to Humberto was Jared Weaver as far as going deep into games.  I'd say Humberto is at the head of his class on being effective with his pitches.

by TheCouga on Jul 12, 2006 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jurrjens
Where would you guys rate Jurrjens now?

by 12to6 on Jul 11, 2006 10:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

re: Jurrjens
Assuming Miller signs, I think the Tigers top 6 are significantly better than the rest of their prospects, and Jurrjens, in my opinion, most likely holds down the number four spot.  Maybin, Sanchez, Miller, Jurrjens, Tata, Larish.

by tonyinstl on Jul 11, 2006 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ledezma and Miner
Ledezma and Miner didn't make the pre-season list, but they're not bad secondary pitching prospects.

Dombrowski's genius was to acquire excellent defenders, which combined with Comerica, has allowed the fine young arms to flourish.  Verlander can and will strike out more than 5.5 per 9, but he doesn't have to in order to succeed.  It's a lot harder to create these kinds of conditions in Colorado.

by Mike Green on Jul 11, 2006 11:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

2003
Ledezma pitched 80+ innings in '03, thus losing his prospect status...

by drwmsu1 on Jul 11, 2006 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Matt Joyce was that high!?
Jesus...based on what....100-200 SS league ABs?

by nms on Jul 11, 2006 2:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Giarratano
Just blew out his ACL.  Hopefully he will recover, but even John's projection is risky now.

by BIgMax on Jul 11, 2006 4:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

One Word:
Humberto!
Tubular Tabata

by yanksfan6129 on Jul 11, 2006 4:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If Miner's entering the conversation, then...
...Ryan Raburn should too. After a horrible start he's been destroying the International League. He'll never be a plus defender at second, but his defense may well be good enough. And if it ain't, his bat might just support left-field (where he's played plenty this year). An interesting player.

by gyros on Jul 12, 2006 4:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Raburn...
Raburn is likely now trade fodder.  He'll be a throw in because his numbers will impress the acquiring fanbase.

by BaseballJonze on Jul 12, 2006 4:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Raburn
trade fodder?  Considering Placido Polanco's low level of production at 2nd base thus far this year, I'd say Raburn has the inside track on being the Tigers starting 2nd baseman in 2007.  Kid's got a 370 OBP and 524 SLG in AAA at age 25 which isn't too shabby.

by dj on Jul 15, 2006 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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