Felix, Liriano, Hamels -- AD NAUSEUM
I don't know how many diaries have been dedicated to the "future aces", but I wanted to give my impressions from watching them, last night in particular.
Hamels: Tremendous control, far better than Liriano or Felix. Hit his spots at will. The only reason he walked anyone in the game is because he lost a little after running the bases in the 5th. Struck out the first 2 guys, then none after, but Arizona hit maybe 2 hard balls all game off of him. I don't understand, personally, why people can't put him in the same class as Felix, Verlander, or Liriano...
Felix: I don't understand why he doesn't throw his fastball more, and for more strikes. He's got such great movement on it... one example was a 2-0 2-seamer to Morneau that darted away and he got a routine grounder to SS out of it. Good for him that he was facing the Twins because he could have been hurt a lot more by his lack of control, which put him in hitters counts all night long... got a break when Hunter bailed him out by swinging at a tough slider on a 3-1 pitch to get out of a jam. He needs to develop more confidence to throw strikes before he takes a step further. I see a kid with all of the stuff and a lack of confidence at this point.
Liriano: Didn't have his best stuff, as evidenced by only 3 K's... also seemed to get agitated by things going wrong. I'm not sure if it's immaturity or a temper, but he really seemed bothered that Seattle was hitting him a little last night, and Gardenhire and company had to go to the mound a couple of times to calm him down. He needs to gain some poise for sure. He throws the hardest of the 3, but I wouldn't say he has better stuff than Felix. Definitely has the look of an ace, but has got to gain control of his emotions when things aren't going his way.
One last thing... if I had to pick one young position player to build my team around, it's Joe Mauer. The guy is phenomenal. He's great defensively, hits line drives all over the place, draws walks, doesn't strike out, runs well... pretty much everything except hit for a lot of power, and he will as he gets older. You can argue that picking a catcher is risky to build a team around, but I'll take my chances with that guy.
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As for Mauer, I think he's just tremendous as well but wonder if he will remain a catcher for very long. I would vote for David Wright but I can see a case being made for Mauer, Cabrera etc....
by the pinstripes on Jun 7, 2006 1:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hamels
by Yakker on Jun 7, 2006 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
He spots his pitches well and can throw any of his pitches for strikes at any count.
He seems to wear down after the first time around the lineup. For all three starts in the bigs, he breezed through the lineup then got into trouble in the 5th or 6th inning.
Lefties can pretty much hold out hope for a walk as he's been dominant against them.
Control is the biggest problem. With someone who can throw wherever he wants most of the time, he issues way too many random walks. Hopefully he can correct this problem soon or else they will start taking a toll.
by yoda1 on Jun 7, 2006 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hamels' control
by Drew Wabes on Jun 7, 2006 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hamels
I think he gets downgraded a tad from that elite group because his FB isn't on the same planet as F/V/L.
I couldn't agree more with starting a team with Mauer. This is from part of the post I made after attending the Twins/Brewers series. I think Mauer is the most valuable property in MLB. The way he catches, defense, handles starters, calm assured confidence, and he is just scratching the surface for the type of numbers he is going to put up.
"...All of this brings me to the magic of Mauer. I have not been to any Twins games this year to better document Silvas or Loshes struggles but I wonder if it is because they didn't trust Mauer more. I didn't see more than a couple of nod offs by the pitcher and I think this helped Liriano and Boonser a lot. He knew when to come out to the mound in very subtle situations before they could have led to big innings and he is mesmerizing to watch. The coolest cat on the field and was amazing to watch catch. Nothing rattles him at all and his demeanor is the same from BP to the 9th inning. The Brews love to send Weeks stealing and they didn't come to close to sending anyone all weekend long. He had snap up and throw to 3rd base on Sunday that almost caught Cirillo off guard that was an absolute dart. It was very risky to throw too in the situation in the only late inning close game of the weekend. His hitting is as good as his defense. In batting practice it was like watching a machine hitting hard line drives all over the field. if you make a Twins game I highly recommend getting a great seat to watch him take his cuts. CRACK...to RF....CRACK....to CF......CRACK to LF and repeat. Flawless mechanics hitting that he repeats every time. His line drives in batting practice and the game sound like HR's. Unreal contact skills. I saw him swing and miss at 2 bad pitches the entire series against an "amped up" Turnbow on Sunday."
by FRANCHISEv2 on Jun 7, 2006 2:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no doubt
Sorry that was off topic... I'm a big Cole Hamels fan and I do believe that he is a blue chipper. I'm somewhat partial to Liriano myself, but that's a personal bias--objectively I think they are in the same class, along with Verlander and Felix.
by D O on Jun 7, 2006 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you were right
as for your other comments, i agree about hamels, i put him in that class with the other great young prospects, no question
by robcast23 on Jun 7, 2006 3:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mauer and Wright
Mauer: 368/423/521, 26.1 VORP
Wright: 327/400/559, 25.5 VORP
That doesn't take into account defense, where Mauer embarrasses Wright, especially when you take into account that Mauer plays an impact defensive position.
If your argument is anti-catcher based, then fine. But, if you are grading based on the value of the players, I think you'd better take a closer look. Oh, I know that Wright was better last year, and I would have taken him before Mauer before the season started. I have changed my opinion based on Mauer's prowess this year.
BTW, Cabrera is a better option than Wright, so I'd go Mauer, Cabrera, Wright. Bay is not really young enough for this...
by jc3 on Jun 7, 2006 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crawford?
by Yakker on Jun 7, 2006 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok but...
by robcast23 on Jun 7, 2006 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Previous performance" for 23 year olds
Just because Mauer didn't hit like Wright immediately doesn't mean he's not the better long term property. The fact remains that Mauer has been the more valuable player in 2006 based on his offensive numbers + his vastly superior defense, and I really don't think it's debatable. If you'd like to use 2005 as your barometer, you're entitled to your opinion, but I don't see how that makes Wright more valuable this season or going forward.
Your argument about building a team around a catcher is much more plausible because of wear and tear and injury risk. I would buy that to an extent, and that would almost make me choose Cabrera. But, in the end, give me Mauer because I just think he's got a chance to be the best catcher we've ever seen.
by jc3 on Jun 7, 2006 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
projection<production
projections are just that, projections...they pale in comparison to actual production...tell me, what is a more accurate gauge of talent, a prospect list (even if it is one of john's) or a league leaders list? and also, answer me this, if former unanimous #1 prospect josh hamilton has a great first third of the season next year, should we crown him the new king over mauer?
i will NOT anoint joe mauer just because some noteworthy names gave him the benefit of the doubt back when he was in the minors...because hes not the #1 prospect anymore, hes in the show now and if hes not going to do it now, when is he? i didn't mind apologists for his lack of power back when he was in the minors but its 3 years later and while he looks like he will contend for batting titles, hes no closer to that elusive double digit hr season, let alone the mutiple 35+ years that piazza put up with ease (including his first full year, imagine that)...please slow down and maybe watch a mid-90's dodger game before you crown mauer king because i think you and many others may have forgotten how great piazza truly was
now, i understand mauer still has some growing to do but remember this: the real king, mike piazza, hit 35 in his first full year, no waiting, no need for apologists making excuses...frankly, if mauer can lick piazza's boots by the end of his career i will be VERY surprised...and thats no indictment of mauer but piazza was one of a kind
but again, in reference to wright, why pick someone who might be when you can pick someone who already is? wright has done it, mauer has not, at least not over the course of a full season which is MUCH more important for a catcher than you're letting on, especially one with concerns about his knees...now i admit, he'll hit for average and get on base like a star but a cornerstone, middle-of-the-order slugger has to slug and mauer hasn't shown that he can even be the best at his own position within his division let alone at the level of the league leaders (like a certain other catcher did perenially)...wright has and is doing so again this year...and since you're so fond of looking at the extremely premature 2006 #'s, how about we look at arguably the most important # in terms of the team, BA w/ RISP:
wright: .344 (17 pts ABOVE his already high, 4th in the NL batting avg)
mauer: .293 (a whopping 75 pts BELOW his al-leading BA)
suddenly mauer's '06 doesn't seem like the greatest thing since sliced bread does it? i like mauer as much as the next guy but many people have been very very premature to hand him the throne by seeing him for what he might be rather than for what he is/has been
some extra points i don't think anyone feels like listening to me expand upon (but i will if necessary):
1)wrights defensive woes are blown way out of proportion
2)mauer has shown serious injury risk while wright has shown none
3)cabrera is NOT a better option to start a team than david wright (see: makeup)
PS - to end this argument, guess which major leaguer has the most innings played throughout the last 2 seasons?
oh yes, thats (w)right...
by robcast23 on Jun 8, 2006 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'll just disagree
- IMO Mauer has taken a huge step forward this year, and his numbers tell it all. If you want Wright, that's fine, but to say that it is a no-brainer is not accurate. I can find a 3b who is as good as Wright, if not better (see Mr. Cabrera), but I won't find a catcher who will approach Mauer's all-around game.
- Wright is not a better option than Cabrera. Cabrera has outperformed him each year in the bigs, was a major force on a WS winning team, and is just simply better. I'll take the pure talent and performance over "makeup"... funny how this argument is demeaned when Yankee fans try to pump Jeter up. BTW, Mauer's "makeup" is at least as good as Wright's.
- Wright's defense stinks. His range has been well below average this year (Rate2 of 91) and he has an awful 3b arm. His defense has been extremely suspect in big spots this year, as well. Mauer's defense is phenomenal at a premium position.
by jc3 on Jun 8, 2006 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
IF Mauer stays at C, he should definitely be more valuable than Wright but since there is a very good chance that he can move to another position, I'd say they are about equal.
by yoda1 on Jun 8, 2006 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're probably right
i'll address your points in order:
- i completely agree that mauer has taken a huge step forward but just because hes at a position that is particularly weak right now doesn't mean anything about him, its more of an indictment on catchers today...yes it makes him a more valuable commodity but its not like hes the only great SS in the AL like arod once was, its like i said earlier and you agreed, a catcher just can't approach the overall value of the other position players...especially a player like mauer who already has serious knee concerns at a position where knees are shredded annually against a guy like david wright who has played the most overall innings since he became a major league regular (look it up)...and conversely, just because there are 2 incredible 3B in the NL, it doesn't mean either of them are less valuable or less talented because of the existence of the other one like you're supposing...as for mauer's growth, its like you said, his 2006 #'s tell it all; hes batting for average but not power, how can you explain that without deferring back to projection and speculation? because if you do, you lose since wright no longer has to rely on projection, hes already putting up superstar #'s...bottomline, how can mauer be more valuable than wright, whether hes the top catcher or not, when hes on the field significantly less over the course of his career?
- the age old cabrera vs. wright debate...i've looked at this here before and you seem to be under the same misconception that many are; that cabrera and wright are @ the same point in their careers when they actually are not...while they were born within a few months of one another, cabrera is actually 1 full season ahead of wright as he reached the majors mid-way through '03 while wright came up mid-way through '04, which is important to take into account for the first 4-5 years of a hitter's career while he is learning the league and developing his swing...so when you say cabrera's #'s have been better every year, you're looking at it all wrong...you have to look at wright's current year compared against cabrera's previous year to accurately compare them...and when you do that, the results are strikingly similar...really look at these numbers and honestly tell me that cabrera is "simply better":
wright '04: 263ab .293/.332/.525 14hr/40rbi/14bb/40k 6sb
cabrera '04: 603ab .294/.366/.512 33hr/112rbi/68bb/148k 5sb
wright '05: 575ab .306/.388/.523 27hr/102rbi/72bb/113k 17sb
cabrera '05: 290ab* .345/.398/.585 16hr/48rbi/27bb/56k 1sb
wright '06: 224ab .335/.408/.563 10hr/40rbi/28bb/44k 9sb
*those #'s represent cabrera's april-june in '05 since wright's '06 is obviously not yet completed
**defensive #'s obviously cannot be compared as cabrera moved all over but let me point out that to this point in '06, cabrera has 10 errors to wright's 9
so what can we take away from those #'s?
-wright leads in just about every BA, OBP or SLG ratio in every year
-he wins out in every k/bb comparison, an important indicator of a hitter's development
-balances his game with excellent speed which cabrera obviously cannot (or won't) do
-wright even catches cabrera in many of the aggregate #'s (except for k's obviously) even though miguel has higher ab totals in every year
-throw on top that cabrera's D at third looks even worse than wright's so far
-through these 2.5 years, cabrera also had a MUCH stronger lineup as he had delgado protecting him as opposed to wright, who regularly had either victor diaz or kaz matsui backing him up
-oh yeah then theres that whole "lack of effort" issue that cabrera has, stating that he doesn't have to listen to veterans and that he doesn't need bp or infield practice before games...then theres wright who is always the first one at the park and works harder than just about anyone i've ever seen
overall, you CANNOT still think cabrera is "simply better"...and at this point its almost ridiculous to suppose cabrera is even the better player...
3) to expand on wright's defense, his only real problem is sometimes he muffs the easy throws to first inexplicably but he has improved on that front and they only account for about 1/2 of his errors...and he gets so unnecessarily killed by pretty much anyone who doesn't see him on a regular basis for his error total, which is above average...because they only see the "E5" in the boxscore...but watching him every night you see a player who moves laterally quicker than nearly any 3B in baseball and consequently gets to a lot of the "ungettable" balls that require wright to make highlight reel quality efforts just to make the outs and if he can't make those circus plays, its an error...about half the time he makes the plays, explaining for the flat out ridiculous plays you commonly see him making on BBTN like the "over-the-shoulder barehander" last year in san diego which was once-in-a-decade quality or the foul ball where he dove parallel to the ground, ankles deep into the stands and made the catch, making jeter's in the stands catch look like childs play...the other half of the time it just proves to be too difficult but hes tagged with an error that another 3B wouldn't get because he wouldn't have even reached the ball and it would be a hit down the left field line...thats where the other half of his errors come from and for those who actually know that, we know his D should not be criticized for them...and there are no defensive metrics that can fully take that fact into account
your move, either we agree to disagree or you can feel free to keep this crazy thing going...
by robcast23 on Jun 8, 2006 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Age?
C'mon... move on. Cabrera's been the better player in '03, '04, '05, and '06. Get over it, please, and stop insulting my intelligence. Thank you.
About Wright's defense, stop. He's bad and the numbers bear it out. And I could point out that he's had errors that have been called hits, including a really egregious one in SF, where he made 2 hideous plays in the late innings.
And, about Mauer... he is putting up superstar numbers. Just because he's not putting up huge power numbers doesn't mean he's not... again, his VORP is better than Wright's, so how exactly is Wright putting up superstar numbers and Mauer is not?
by jc3 on Jun 8, 2006 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
as for those 5 months, the only way you can make that case is to say that wright has an edge in physical development since he was born earlier, which is ridiculous...5 months might seem like a while when you're waiting for the summer to arrive or something but in terms of human physical development it is negligible...my best friend is and always has been 9 months older than me but since we were kids we've always been very comparable in height and weight, because even 9 months isn't enough to differentiate...once you get past a year or 18 months, then it starts becoming apples and oranges...so YES you should consider wright to be 1 year younger than cabrera...not in actual years but in baseball years and cabrera's baseball "birth" came in 2000, 1 full year before wright's
to expand on that idea, IMO the 3 important developmental benchmarks are the pro debut, the AA debut and the major league debut, all of which cabrera had a 1 year jump on, only further solidifying my idea that until they are both established as the hitters that they will always be (IMO usually takes about 3-5 years) cabrera will always be 1 year ahead of wright in terms of development, preparation, knowledge of the league, knowledge of pitching, etc...its inaccurate to compare the two of them year by year, the fairest and most accurate way to compare these two is to look at cabrera's previous years vs. wright's currents
because otherwise you're saying that the year that cabrera spent in the GCL was as valuable as wright's senior year in HS...so you think cabrera's AA year was right on par with wright's year in A ball?...and you think cabrera learned anything in that year in the majors that wright didn't learn in AA/AAA? obviously there is a huge developmental difference between all of those levels which is why you have to consider cabrera to be 1 year older as a hitter and wright to be still catching up
and about the D, i know what the numbers say, hes got a bunch of errors, thats not my point...my point is that watching him on a daily basis convinces the viewer that some of the errors he gets would not be even possible for lesser athletes to attain...now you cite a game in SF as a day where they gave him the benefit of the doubt but if thats the only game you've seen then thats not enough of a sample size to disprove me...mainly because i can give you a number of examples where it was close and they gave him the error...however if i'm mistaken and you watch him often, and you still feel that what i've said about his quick lateral movement is wrong then im sorry to assume
by robcast23 on Jun 8, 2006 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh
by robcast23 on Jun 8, 2006 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
I guess I give more credit to Cabrera in that he got to the big leagues a year earlier and that counts for a lot IMO. Wright is an outstanding player, but I still don't see how you compare them at different real-life ages vs. your definition of "baseball age". I see your point about development stages, but my opinion is the fact that Cabrera advanced more quickly to the bigs than Wright counts. With your theory, you seem to penalize Cabrera for that. I agree that Cabrera's instruction was better at a younger age, but it's really his talent that got him to the majors quicker. As a matter of fact, it lends itself to the fact that Cabrera's ceiling is probably slightly higher due to his faster development curve.
Each year since '03, when they have been virtually the same (real-life) age, Cabrera's been better, and that is my point. You compared their numbers when Cabrera was 16 months younger than Wright, and that IMO is misleading.
To be fair, there really is no correct answer. You really can't go wrong with either. But I stand by my premise that (so far) Cabrera has been the better player, and therefore, the better choice.
Regarding defense, living in NY, I get to watch Wright, but not as often as I'd like, so to quibble with you regarding range is tough... for that I've gone to numbers, which really is my only way to gauge it. The one thing I have noticed is his arm, and I am really unimpressed with it. He will probably improve because he's a hard worker and a good kid, but I don't ever see him being a top flight defender because of his arm strength. I could see him moving across the diamond to 1b eventually, and I could also see that with Cabrera. Hell, maybe Mauer too! :)
by jc3 on Jun 8, 2006 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
4 months, 5 months...
however i will say i thought about what you've said, about cabrera reaching the majors at a younger age than wright...at first i too thought he deserved credit for this but i decided that this was a product more of the somewhat flawed system in baseball where internationals can be signed at age 16 but domestic players clearly cannot sign until they graduate HS at age 18 rather than just the fact that cabrera was ready to be signed and wright wasn't...i see what you mean but just because a player is signed is not an indicator that he is ready, just that a team sees the future tools in him...if anything one could make the argument that cabrera wasn't quite prepared for pro ball as he couldn't elevate his BA above .275 til his 20 yr old season in AA...and just because wright wasn't signed at 17 like cabrera doesn't mean he was not ready, he was still a junior in HS and had to wait to graduate...in america, signing that early just is not done...i don't even know if its legal...
the solution obviously is what some people have speculated about internationals falling into the jurisdiction of the draft...
i also understand your beef with my comparison of their numbers...i suppose it fits along with my idea of a "baseball age" but its still a gap of 16 months between wright's #'s and cabrera's and that isn't like 4 months, thats approaching apples and oranges range...i didnt think about that...so its definitely not a perfect comparison and that may explain why wright's number's are so clearly superior all across the board...so i guess at this point it is just a matter of personal preference...mine is the hard-working, well-disciplined one who shows repect to vets, doesn't want anything handed to him and is clearly a very marketable face/name/commodity for the mets
i guess a lot of the same can be said for mauer but like you said in your last post, to this point in their major league careers wright has been the better player, therefore, hes the better choice...mauer's '06 clearly is standing out but only after he clearly outperforms wright for an entire season, like wright outperformed mauer last year, will i then think about choosing mauer
oh and i wanted to mention wright's arm...the common misconception is that its weak, and it isn't, he actually has a pretty stong arm...he often makes the dive towards the line-dig out of the dirt-heave across his body and he makes it well...the problem is that for some reason its not always accurate...and its always on the easier plays that he seems to airmail them about 2-3 feet too high...most of the time delgado (or mientkiewicz last year...ughh) still gets to them but hes pulled up off the bag...its something that i'm seeing less and less of, which is almost certainly a product of the extended infield he takes nearly ever day, but its still something that rears its ugly head maybe 1-2 a month...i view cabrera as a bit of a mannyesque defender; a little lazy, sluggish and not prone to extreme hustle plays that don't necessarily have to be made (like maybe a pop-up in foul territory thats dropping near the entrance to the dugout...i watched this very play and he didn't even pay lip service, he took like 2 half steps and watched what turned out to be a very catchable ball bounce in foul territory...i'd be pissed if i were that pitcher...and i would NEVER excpet that kind of play out of wright)...so while they both have a lot of errors, i put them light years apart in terms of defense, even if only because of the differences in work ethic and effort
by robcast23 on Jun 8, 2006 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh and...
either way, good debate...i'd still take wright but i like a good debate because i always end up knowing a hell of a lot more about say joe mauer or miguel cabrera afterwards than i did before
by robcast23 on Jun 8, 2006 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
mauer
mauer is a STUD behind the plate, defensivley....piazza was only average to slighty below average at his best.
Sure he could hit, but to be a complete player you need both aspects of the game.
Mauer with his approach will be hitting .330 yearly bank it.
by hotshotschamp on Jun 7, 2006 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
"at his best" piazza was well above average (.997 fp & 3 errors in '04), not "slightly below average" like you said
and to say "sure he could hit" to encompass piazza's incredible hitting ability is like saying "sure the universe is plenty big"...give the man some credit, he had 8(!) 30+ hr years w/ 7 years batting .318 or above, once batting .3 mother f'ing 62
oh and let me mention that piazza hit 35 hrs in his rookie year...yes thats right, in his very. first. season. so i'd say joe mauer is a little bit behind wouldn't you? i mean considering hes had trouble reaching double digits and all...
piazza slugged .561 over the course of that entire rookie season, all 3 thirds of it...meanwhile joe mauer is hitting out of his mind, as good as he ever has for power or average in the majors or minors...and is only at .521...thats 40 pts below piazza and that before the last 2/3 of dog days take their toll on that surgically repaired knee (the same one that piazza never had)
now i will not make excuses for his arm, it was never good and became terrible as he aged...but the ability to consistently nail runners is an aspect of the modern, "less fundamentals" game that few catchers excel at; its just not a priority today, especially not when compared to the power game...yes, piazza had a poor arm but in an era when most catchers do, it was much more palatable...and i don't think many will argue when i say that his bat made up for that weakness and then some (some meaning a TON)
so if having a poor arm meant that by your definition piazza wasn't a complete player, i can accept that...but then apparently you don't have to be a complete player to completely dominate the game for over a decade like no catcher ever has (or probably will again)...people make far too big a deal about piazzas arm, its like saying roger clemens doesn't sac bunt well...in terms of their impact on each game piazza played in, his offense was the mountain and his arm was the molehill, don't confuse the two
by robcast23 on Jun 8, 2006 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
RE
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/charting-felix/
I would be careful judging pitches on just one outing... I think Felix's problem isn't strikeouts so much as pitch selection as the article says. I'd recommend anyone here to read the earlier bit on 'Young Aces' by Lasordiwhatever a few days ago in addition to this.
by Fett42 on Jun 7, 2006 3:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks!
by jc3 on Jun 7, 2006 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Article
by rwperu34 on Jun 7, 2006 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know i dont
and wont put him in there with Verlander/Liriano/Felix
because the kid is made out of glass, has had many arm injuries and has trouble staying healthy. for him to be considered that he has to prove to myself that he can in fact pitch 200 innings atleast.
which he is far far far from ever doing.
that and i do not think his stuff rivals the other 3.
that doesnt make him not good just i dont put him with those 3 elite's.
by High Heater on Jun 7, 2006 4:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hamels stuff
The only thing Hamels lacks is speed compared to the others. This is something that cannot be taught I agree, but his main pitch compliments his fastball better than the other pitchers IMO.
As far as the injury label. While he has been brittle, very few of the injuries were baseball related. So the fact that he reached where he is with limited mileage on his arm is good IMO.
by yoda1 on Jun 7, 2006 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
u do realise
his injuries are arm related right...
by High Heater on Jun 7, 2006 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys forgot
by rwperu34 on Jun 7, 2006 4:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mauer.
Damn he's amazing...
by Justin & Joe on Jun 7, 2006 11:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mauer
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