Your Son Is A Pitcher
Let's say that your son is a high school pitcher, a very good one. Not Josh Beckett, but let's say your son is a solid prospect.
Here is your theoretical son:
6-3, 185 pounds. Righthanded pitcher and hitter. Throws 88-90 MPH right now, has a good curveball, but a mediocre changeup. He's never had a major injury, other than the normal stiffness and soreness after a game. His mechanics are fairly clean but not perfect. He is a good athlete but not an outstanding one. You live in Kansas. Your son is of average emotional maturity for an 18-year-old. He is bright and would do well in college. Scouts are telling you that, if he wants to sign, he would go in the third or fourth round.
So, what do you tell them? Do you tell your son to go into pro ball? Or do you encourage him to go to college? And if you want him to go to college, what program?
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by overlord on Jun 1, 2006 6:11 PM EDT reply actions
Professional
If he really has another career that he is more excited about, then college. Then the question is which is the best academic school that will give him a full ride scholarship. The baseball program ought to be a very distant second or third (after how does he like the school) in the criteria.
by TT @ Minor League Ball on Jun 1, 2006 6:12 PM EDT reply actions
Go Pro
by tupelodylan on Jun 1, 2006 6:20 PM EDT reply actions
Organizations
Or if he was drafted by Colorado in, say, the fourth round, would you feel differently about the decision? A friend of mine was drafted later than he wanted by an AL team out of high school so he went to college for a few years and greatly improved his draft position as a result. The only thing is he got drafted by the Rockies and really wasn't happy about that. I often wonder how his career trajectory might have been different if he was drafted by an otganization like the Braves.
by FI @ Minor League Ball on Jun 1, 2006 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
draft
if he could go to somewhere like stanford, i would encourage him to go, excellent education and all to fall back on. i guess it all depends on what type of money was offered to go pro really. the odds are really against a pro future so the factors of upfront money vs. good education for life after baseball would be the determining factors. of course it is ultimtly his decision, this would be my view of the matter.
Get Started
I would advise him to go to Long Beach State. Good team with a huge field that doesn't seem to abuse pitchers. I might even advise going to a Junior College as a draft and follow. I would avoid programs such as Stanford or Rice that push the limit on pitcher usage. The educational opportunity will always be there later, but the money may not.
I might try to get the team to let him spend the fall semester in school and working out per their regiment, and the rest of the year playing. Especially in the tender early years, it might be a good way to limit injury and prevent injury.
by irwin @ Minor League Ball on Jun 1, 2006 6:27 PM EDT reply actions
Depends on the college commit
that should say
Education
Choose the best school in terms of academics and baseball program (one that won't abuse him) and go from there. At least if his arm falls off, he can still be a Biochemist like his old man. If he does develop, he'll have an education to go along with the big money and the fabulous prizes.
by Emad on Jun 1, 2006 6:37 PM EDT reply actions
pro
Why not have your cake and eat it too? ;)
Go Pro, if not "hook'em"
pro
College.
What sort of masochist wants to play in the minors for 3-4 (or more) years before making it to the majors? It can't be much fun compared to the college atmosphere.
by Klostrophobic on Jun 1, 2006 7:11 PM EDT reply actions
Go to school
Specifically, he should go to the University of Florida where it is always sunny, just about every athletic team is a winner (2006 baseball notwithstanding ahem), the beach is an hour away, and the co-eds are, well, Florida co-eds.
I can't imagine recommending to my son that he pass up a college eduation and a college life, even if some team wanted to take him in round one.
Agree
Think about it - if your kid graduates high school, gets a signing bonus of a couple hundred thou, pitches a couple of years and either gets injured or washes out (let's be honest, how many draft picks actually make the bigs?), what's he left with? He's left with a high school education and whatever is left of the signing bonus after taxes (and maybe a gold car). That would probably not even cover the cost of college (private university averages something like $32K a year).
No question in my mind. Go to school, get an education while you develop your skills. How many high schoolers hit the bigs before they turn 22? Instead of toiling in the low minors, go to school. A full ride to a good school is about as good a signing bonus as you'll find. If he really is good, he'll get signed after college. If not, he'll have a good education, and earn that signing bonus in a few years in the real world.
by e 6 on Jun 1, 2006 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Money is a factor
Couple of million
by e 6 on Jun 1, 2006 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Free Ride????
Lucky to get a 1/3 ride even at D1.
1/3???
by Con on Jun 2, 2006 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
First
haha
by Con on Jun 3, 2006 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Well...
by chris in illinois on Jun 1, 2006 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Depends on the signing bonus
Ultimately it comes down to what my son wanted. If he's not dedicated to being a true student/athlete and they crave the pros, it's better to take the money and run rather than waste their time and possibly talent at a school.
School all the way!!!
At University you learn more about yourself and what you want to do than at any tie in your life, only point you are free to really choose your own destiny. Who knows, maybe he is just pitching because I pushed him into it, in which case he aint gonna make it anyway.
By all means if he can get into a place like Stanford, you take it a million times over!
An 'education' never comes later, it is pretty much a one time ticket. How many flameouts have gone back to school? How many that DID, went to good schools? Not many that is for damn sure, "I spent 5 years in Oklhoma working on my curve doesn't really make em bang down your door eh?
Even if it is a gauranteed $400,000, you tell him to get his ass to school. The difference in expected lifetime income of somone who doesn't go to school in the next generation DWARFS that $400,000. Remember what is used to be like if you didn't have a high school degree? That is what it is going to be like for people who don't have a BA soon, just look.
If you push the kid into the draft, you are completely gambling his future, he probably isn't going to be a hall of famer, so if develops he can do it in school, he might hurt his arm a little, but the tradeoff in terms of if he fails is just too much to ignore.
by aclax2k on Jun 1, 2006 7:57 PM EDT reply actions
My boss's nephew...
Wow; what's his name?
Sign!
great point
Plus, as i've said twice now, its not even a full ride
by nms on Jun 1, 2006 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I Say To My Son...
by yanksfan6129 on Jun 1, 2006 8:20 PM EDT reply actions
Go Yankees!
Kansas?! How the heck did I end up in Kansas?!
It really depends on the kid. If my son is Sean O'Sullivan, I'm more prone to encourage him to go pro. He's a baseball player to the core, has incredible talent, and looks like he belongs on the field instead of in a classroom. If my son is Kevin Correia, I'm more prone to recommend college because he is an incredibly intelligent kid. In either case, I think the most important thing is to encourage the kid to follow his heart, and do what he feels right. It's a decision a kid needs to be able to make for himself.
it's really pretty simple
Better be smart and go to school. I guarantee college is a hell of a lot more fun than playing in the minors. Plus you get an education that can lead to even more $$$$ down the road than a minor league contract. Besides, I wouldn't think that going to college was a huge hindrance on his development as a player.
It'd be an easy decision for any child of mine.
by dj @ Minor League Ball on Jun 1, 2006 8:36 PM EDT reply actions
first off
Also, if your kid is a 3-4th (or even 8th or later) rounder the signing bonus is enough to give him a "full ride" (in the sense that it covers all his tuition) and then some (and by some i mean half a million or more).
Also alot of team, in addition to signing bonuses, cover future tuition.
in addition if you want him to go to school for the academics you know he probably wont get a degree right?
If hes even a decent player he'll probably be gone after his third year
by nms on Jun 1, 2006 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
Nebraska for example has 5-10 players on $500 scholarships. This is a D1, College World Series caliber team.
DING DING DING
This isn't college football where you have your 70+ scholarships and can give every player a full ride.
BTW, for those of you knocking the minor league lifestyle, the best year I had in my life was '89 playing in Charleston, SC riding buses and staying in cheap motels throughout the SAL. It was far better than any year at Northwestern University and the great education I received and numerous roadies in the Big Ten. It's pretty ignorant to speak badly about the lifestyle unless you have lived it.
Depends
- What round he is picked is paramount in what
type of contract he is offered.
* Who is he drafted by?
- Braves, Dodgers, etc... strong organization
with excellent instruction and a love of arms,
then sign if deal is good (minimum 6 figures).
- Royals, Colorado, etc... perenial loser, bad
location (not conducive to pitching), then go
to college.
* GPA in High School?
- Is he a student, athlete or a student/athlete?
Now the hard part ..... if college is the choice
is it JUCO or 4 year? I would personally choose
a top JUCO program. This requires some work on
his/your part. This isn't a game and the choices
made now effect the outcome later.
* Scout the program/coaching staff
- Will they guarantee you playing time?
* Doesn't do you any good to go the top
program in the country if you don't play
- Is it a healthy environment/coaching style?
* Grady Little type: laid back, good talker
* Lou Pinella type: loud, football type coach
* If you can't get along or respond well to
the coaching staff it is not the right fit
- Location?
* If from a dry, arid environment going to
a school where there is high humidity is
probably not the way to go.
* Does the weather allow year round training?
- Education?
* Degrees Offered?
* Party School or Study School?
- Scholarship?
Note: Also if college is the choice, you might
want to see (affordability is key) if an
insurance policy can be taken out on him,
in case of career threatening injury.
Just my .02
Go if it's the Dodgers?
If we're talking about money vs. college, it depends more on what that money means to his entire family. If $300,000 is a lot of money to you, but not "life-changing" - in that both his parents are college educated and working in high tech professions, earning $100K apiece for example, then you go to college.
If both your parents wotk a farm and are barely breaking even month to month, $300 K not only changes your life, but theirs as well. You take the money, and put $100K away immediately to pay for college when you're done w baseball/ in the offseason.
I'm college educated, and make a nice living. If I could spend a year in the lowest of minors, I'd have done it for the experience and then go to college afterwards. You can enjoy college just as much from age 20-24 as you do from 18-22.
If my son (he's 8 now, so not planning on it) faces that choice, I'd probably advise him to go pro, then I'd support him in college afterwards if he needed, just like I would have when he was 18.
What free ride
saying that you want your kid to go to college
by lsu31always on Jun 1, 2006 9:45 PM EDT reply actions
sign
If scouts really think he's 4th round material, I'd say its a no-brainer. No need wasting anymore innings in amateur ball.
First
Second, I get someone smart (Like John) to lay out accurately just what his options are and tell him that he's a man, it's his decision. A friend of mine faced a similar situation recently, graduate school or returning to play soccer for the Mexican Women's soccer team. Like my advice to her was, I would say to him that college will still be there in 2 or three years if things don't work out, but this opportunity might not come around again if you wait until after 2-3 years of college/grad school. Though he MUST put his signing bonus into savings because there's no way I'm paying for him to go to college if he blos a 100k signing bonus.
by CrimsonLiederhosen on Jun 1, 2006 9:55 PM EDT reply actions
BTW
by CrimsonLiederhosen on Jun 1, 2006 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Initially, I would have said go to college...
my take
He could also start working on a degree during the winter.
by Josh @ Minor League Ball on Jun 1, 2006 10:56 PM EDT reply actions
Easy Question
by scoob14 on Jun 1, 2006 11:00 PM EDT reply actions
If my son is an athlete...
by multiphasic on Jun 2, 2006 1:37 AM EDT reply actions
probably go pro
Second, he could take some classes over the winter, and if the team thought highly enough of him, he could probably sign and be assigned to a junior college to be developed there instead of in the minor leagues.
Go pro... unless he doesn't want it.
Choices
My other thought is that with pitchers- they can injure their arm at any time so why not take the shot while it's there and get the money.
I'll have to stick with that thought- go for the draft and take a shot.
by rooker72 on Jun 2, 2006 8:23 AM EDT reply actions
Same wave length...
It would come down to what programs, what team picks you, and where the best chance lies for him in three years.
by rockies73 on Jun 2, 2006 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Go over the pros and cons....
by KevinApps on Jun 2, 2006 8:25 AM EDT reply actions
School
Go to a warm weather school where you are able to play more outside and get use to the weather.
Stay out of trouble, and dont get injured and themoney will be there in budles when you are out. If you get hurt or pro ball doesnt pan out, then you have half your way through college and can get your degree.
John: HAve you been watching...
How much does the money mean to you, and are you willing to risk it all for more? Could easily be called, "What's your price?"
We're all whores... all we negotiate on is price.
Send him to school
Someplace where he can place ball and get a great education.
Sending him to someplace like U. of Kansas, while great, doesn't cash in on his athlete status.
Get him into the best school you can while he has that young arm.
If things look like they're working out, he can turn pro as a junior and finish school later.
What's a pitch count?
However, after playing four years of college baseball and watching many a game over the past few years, my answer today would be to SIGN ON THE DOTTED LINE ASAP! College coaches are paid to win first, develop second. I've seen way too many 143-pitch, 8-inning outings for my liking. Also, take a look at what professional organizations are doing with their teenage arms (Brandon Erbe comes to mind). 5 Inn, 75 pitches. There's no way Erbe comes out after 75 pitches if he's throwing for LSU in a weekend SEC tilt.
by ftheyankees on Jun 2, 2006 10:05 AM EDT reply actions
Try asking him
If it's your son's dream to play ball professionally then he'll probably choose to sign. If not, he'll probably go to college, get smart, and hopefully improve enough to get picked higher in four years.
Both choices are solid, well-reasoned approaches and both can serve a young ballplayer well. To argue which is the correct choice is fine and dandy; just remember whose choice it is...Mr. Marinovich.
Re: Try asking him
by ftheyankees on Jun 2, 2006 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Lambo
by lamberty on Jun 2, 2006 12:19 PM EDT reply actions
My advice to my son would be
If he goes to college and blows his knee out playing a pick-up basketball game - he could end his baseball career in an instant. Trust me when I tell you that college players lose as many games to non-baseball related incidents as they do to on-field injuries.
The money thing - if the average american earns $40-50,000 per year and a bonus is thrown in his face in the neighborhood of 400-500,000, that means that he would be 32 before he earned that much money given 4 years of college (optimistically) and 10 years of work. That doesn't even take into account time value of money.
All that said - I would encourage him to take the money within limits. No $100,000 cars or any of that other nonsense. That would be fall-back money in case baseball did not work out to cover college, down payment on a house, etc.
However - follow your dreams and never leave anything on the table!
Adults?
High school seniors aren't adults and I thought the question was what advice you would give, not whether the kid should take it.
I didn't realize college baseball didn't provide full-ride scholarships. The bonuses in the third and fourth round are in the $300-400,000 range. That puts the weight heavily on the side of signing. Unless the kid has a clear direction for school, he's better off taking the money. He can spend his winters going to classes while working out. Or go back to school when the baseball career is over.
by TT @ Minor League Ball on Jun 2, 2006 3:58 PM EDT reply actions
Semantics
by CrimsonLiederhosen on Jun 3, 2006 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Adults
Not really. Not in the context of making decisions about their life without adult guidance.
by TT @ Minor League Ball on Jun 3, 2006 10:16 AM EDT reply actions
College all the way
If he develops accordingly, he'll still get his chance to try out for the Show in the future. If he doesn't (as is more likely), then he has an elite education to fall back on, and will have a wide array of options open.
Even down the line, the smart jock does pretty well, especially should he be interested in some field of work where networking is important (i.e. banking, lobbying, politics, etc.)
by dkmin on Jun 3, 2006 12:24 PM EDT reply actions
exactly
So take the garunteed half-mil plus right now.
Also, several studies have shown that an Ivy League education doesn't make a big difference for the students than a lower tier instituion in terms of future employment and earnings when you adjust for the students personal credentials.

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