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Your Son Is A Pitcher

Let's say that your son is a high school pitcher, a very good one. Not Josh Beckett, but let's say your son is a solid prospect.

Here is your theoretical son:

6-3, 185 pounds. Righthanded pitcher and hitter. Throws 88-90 MPH right now, has a good curveball, but a mediocre changeup. He's never had a major injury, other than the normal stiffness and soreness after a game. His mechanics are fairly clean but not perfect. He is a good athlete but not an outstanding one. You live in Kansas. Your son is of average emotional maturity for an 18-year-old. He is bright and would do well in college. Scouts are telling you that, if he wants to sign, he would go in the third or fourth round.

So, what do you tell them? Do you tell your son to go into pro ball? Or do you encourage him to go to college? And if you want him to go to college, what program?

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juco
i think that a third/fourth round draft pick out of high school who has question marks like a mediocre changeup and a mediocre fastball would be well served to go to a juco program as a d&f.  if he improves his changeup, he might be able to get above slot money, and even if he doesn't improve, he would still have a lot of leverage by threatening to go back to college for another season.  

by overlord on Jun 1, 2006 6:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Professional
Should he consider a bonus of $300 -$400,000? Yes. If he wants to be a professional baseball player he might as well get started. He can always go back to school or take classes over the winter.

If he really has another career that he is more excited about, then college. Then the question is which is the best academic school that will give him a full ride scholarship. The baseball program ought to be a very distant second or third (after how does he like the school) in the criteria.

by TT @ Minor League Ball on Jun 1, 2006 6:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Go Pro
A high school pitcher with the ability to go in the first 5 rounds should always turn pro. As a high draft pick he will receive the best instruction possible - from a major league organization. In this case the player will probably spend a few years in rookie and short-season ball receiving maximum attention without overusing his arm. One injury in college could set him back many rounds in the draft and cost him not only money but precious development time.

by tupelodylan on Jun 1, 2006 6:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Organizations
It's true that he could "receive the best instruction possible", but some organizations invest different kind of resources in player development. Would the particular organization matter?

Or if he was drafted by Colorado in, say, the fourth round, would you feel differently about the decision? A friend of mine was drafted later than he wanted by an AL team out of high school so he went to college for a few years and greatly improved his draft position as a result. The only thing is he got drafted by the Rockies and really wasn't happy about that. I often wonder how his career trajectory might have been different if he was drafted by an otganization like the Braves.

by FI @ Minor League Ball on Jun 1, 2006 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

draft
if it was my kid, first of all he'd have a good changeup and a mediocre curve.
if he could go to somewhere like stanford, i would encourage him to go, excellent education and all to fall back on. i guess it all depends on what type of money was offered to go pro really. the odds are really against a pro future so the factors of upfront money vs. good education for life after baseball would be the determining factors. of course it is ultimtly his decision, this would be my view of the matter.

by pst2 on Jun 1, 2006 6:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Get Started
If you are picked in 3-4, the orginization will probably take care of you. However, I would advise him that not all organizations are created equal.

I would advise him to go to Long Beach State. Good team with a huge field that doesn't seem to abuse pitchers. I might even advise going to a Junior College as a draft and follow. I would avoid programs such as Stanford or Rice that push the limit on pitcher usage. The educational opportunity will always be there later, but the money may not.

I might try to get the team to let him spend the fall semester in school and working out per their regiment, and the rest of the year playing. Especially in the tender early years, it might be a good way to limit injury and prevent injury.

by irwin @ Minor League Ball on Jun 1, 2006 6:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Depends on the college commit
If he has a commit to a program like Vandy who has had success with high round pitchers and provides a top education, it may be tough to pass up.  However, if it is to a school that is a mixed bag and/or not that great educationally, I would take the money.  I would also try to get written into the signing bonus that the team will take care of the tuition payments for college

by mtk52983 on Jun 1, 2006 6:35 PM EDT reply actions  

that should say
mixed bag in regard to future draft prospects

by mtk52983 on Jun 1, 2006 6:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Education
Considering the failure rate of young pitchers, going pro would be utterly foolish, especially since he isn't a dominant prospect.

Choose the best school in terms of academics and baseball program (one that won't abuse him) and go from there. At least if his arm falls off, he can still be a Biochemist like his old man. If he does develop, he'll have an education to go along with the big money and the fabulous prizes.

by Emad on Jun 1, 2006 6:37 PM EDT reply actions  

pro
3rd-4th round?  Take the money and take your chance.  Try to get a clause in there for the team to cover your college tuition if it doesn't work out (or even if it does work out, and you want to go back to school after retirement).  Isn't this pretty standard for high draft selections anyway?

Why not have your cake and eat it too?  ;)

by birdtown on Jun 1, 2006 6:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Go Pro, if not "hook'em"
I just don't think you can turn down that kind of money.  I think there is a greater chance he drops instead of rises in the draft.  That being said if he were going to go to college, he would be attending The University of Texas.  Auggie Garrido would be a great influence on him as well as those coeds.

by gk314 on Jun 1, 2006 6:42 PM EDT reply actions  

pro
take the money and run. too easy to get hurt as a pitcher. speaking from experience here.

by taggartd on Jun 1, 2006 6:57 PM EDT reply actions  

College.
Or at least a year of JUCO.

What sort of masochist wants to play in the minors for 3-4 (or more) years before making it to the majors? It can't be much fun compared to the college atmosphere.

by Klostrophobic on Jun 1, 2006 7:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Go to school
College is the best four (or in my case, eight and counting) years of your life.  I would strongly advise my son to go to college, edify and educate himself (he won't be playing baseball forever), meet some girls, live in the dorms, go see free concerts, drink some cheap, bad American beers (when he's of age, natch), meet some girls, go to football and basketball games during his offseason, meet some girls, stay up all night with his buddies eating pizza and watching World's Strongest Man and Mystery Science Theater 3000-- basically spend the best years of his youth in the best place to spend those years, enjoying himself and not worrying about being a pro yet.  Baseball will be there in three or four years.

Specifically, he should go to the University of Florida where it is always sunny, just about every athletic team is a winner (2006 baseball notwithstanding ahem), the beach is an hour away, and the co-eds are, well, Florida co-eds.

I can't imagine recommending to my son that he pass up a college eduation and a college life, even if some team wanted to take him in round one.  

by abjohnuf on Jun 1, 2006 7:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Agree
If this is my kid, he goes to school. Period. And one that puts an emphasis on academics.

Think about it - if your kid graduates high school, gets a signing bonus of a couple hundred thou, pitches a couple of years and either gets injured or washes out (let's be honest, how many draft picks actually make the bigs?), what's he left with? He's left with a high school education and whatever is left of the signing bonus after taxes (and maybe a gold car). That would probably not even cover the cost of college (private university averages something like $32K a year).

No question in my mind. Go to school, get an education while you develop your skills. How many high schoolers hit the bigs before they turn 22? Instead of toiling in the low minors, go to school. A full ride to a good school is about as good a signing bonus as you'll find. If he really is good, he'll get signed after college. If not, he'll have a good education, and earn that signing bonus in a few years in the real world.

"Baseball is dull only to dull minds." -Red Barber

by e 6 on Jun 1, 2006 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Money is a factor
I'm big on going to college, using the free ride to get an education but if you've got a couple of million on the table, it's hard to turn down for a 4 year education and the opportunity get much less when you graduate.

by mg050369 on Jun 1, 2006 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Couple of million
But a couple of million won't be on the table in the 3rd or 4th round. Early first round is a different story, because it is a lot of money. But in the example at hand, I can't imagine the signing bonus will be that significant in the 3rd or 4th round.
"Baseball is dull only to dull minds." -Red Barber

by e 6 on Jun 1, 2006 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Free Ride????
LOL, not in baseball.

Lucky to get a 1/3 ride even at D1.

by HuskerBob on Jun 2, 2006 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

1/3???
You're ignorant if you think DI programs don't hand out full rides.  Especially with kids slated to go in the 4th Rd and throwing 90mph at age 18.  Was that reply a joke?  haha    

by Con on Jun 2, 2006 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

First
Husker actually played college baseball.  Second, there are only 11.7 Scholarships availible for a Division-1 baseball team.  Rice, for example has around 38 players on it's roster.  USF, the school I go to has 30 players.  It is extremely hard to get a full ride to a D-1 program.  Especially an elite program.  Also, your scholarship can be adjusted from year to year, or even be taken from you.  You might get a full ride the first year, then the pitcher gets injured and not only loses out on the bonus check, but as the parent, I could be stuck with the bill for college I wasn't expecting.
"Chuck Lamar, you're fired"- Stuart Sternburg.

by Tyler on Jun 2, 2006 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha
Oh I wasn't aware Husker "actually" played college baseball.  Any chance he played for Snow Man at LMU (Mules)?  Or in the Big West vs. the Dirtbags, CSUF, and Fresno St. back in the day?  Do you think Bobby Jones had a full ride?  Jason Giambi?  Steve Trachsel?  Phil Nevin?  Dante Powell?  Probably not.  I would imagine Augie offered books and 1/3 tuition to Nevin out of El Dorado HS.  Probably signed #1 overall as he couldn't afford the cafeteria even with the 33% discount.  Brilliant!    

by Con on Jun 3, 2006 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well...
...I knew a guy who was drafted 15th by the A's in 1997 and got 50-60k in terms of a bonus and more importantly got his college paid for if he washed out.

by chris in illinois on Jun 1, 2006 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depends on the signing bonus
First, I tell him to keep his options open.  I watch how the draft unfolds.  If he goes in the first round the money will be much better than the tenth.  If the signing bonus is significant (6 figures), I strongly consider reccomending turning pro.  If it isn't, then I lean towards JUCO or a 4 year program.  It gives you a chance to turn that into bigger money while leaving the door open to cash in on a $100K education and college experience.

Ultimately it comes down to what my son wanted.  If he's not dedicated to being a true student/athlete and they crave the pros, it's better to take the money and run rather than waste their time and possibly talent at a school.

by mg050369 on Jun 1, 2006 7:51 PM EDT reply actions  

School all the way!!!
Ok couple points:

At University you learn more about yourself and what you want to do than at any tie in your life, only point you are free to really choose your own destiny.  Who knows, maybe he is just pitching because I pushed him into it, in which case he aint gonna make it anyway.

By all means if he can get into a place like Stanford, you take it a million times over!

An 'education' never comes later, it is pretty much a one time ticket.  How many flameouts have gone back to school?  How many that DID, went to good schools?  Not many that is for damn sure, "I spent 5 years in Oklhoma working on my curve doesn't really make em bang down your door eh?

Even if it is a gauranteed $400,000, you tell him to get his ass to school.  The difference in expected lifetime income of somone who doesn't go to school in the next generation DWARFS that $400,000.  Remember what is used to be like if you didn't have a high school degree?  That is what it is going to be like for people who don't have a BA soon, just look.

If you push the kid into the draft, you are completely gambling his future, he probably isn't going to be a hall of famer, so if develops he can do it in school, he might hurt his arm a little, but the tradeoff in terms of if he fails is just too much to ignore.

by aclax2k on Jun 1, 2006 7:57 PM EDT reply actions  

My boss's nephew...
...is in exactly that position right now.  Projectable HS RHP in PA, might get picked late on Day 1.

by Vlad on Jun 1, 2006 8:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow; what's his name?
Maybe John can do a prospect profile. :)

by craig3410 on Jun 1, 2006 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sign!
I was in a situation where I lost a scholarship because of a tear in my rotator cuff.  Young pitchers have no idea when their time will be up and they will live thier life wondering what could have been.  

by riktermiller on Jun 1, 2006 8:12 PM EDT reply actions  

great point
College coaches can cut off that scholarship when they want if you get hurt or they dont need you anymore.

Plus, as i've said twice now, its not even a full ride

by nms on Jun 1, 2006 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Say To My Son...
Go Pro! Get the Money! Get to the Bigs! Get the prospect status!!! College is a waste of time because if you get drafted out of college, it puts you in levels that make you too old to be in.
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by yanksfan6129 on Jun 1, 2006 8:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Go Yankees!
I hope Brien Taylor invested his $1.5M pre tax.  Nothing wrong with selling insurance until you're 65.    

by Con on Jun 3, 2006 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kansas?! How the heck did I end up in Kansas?!
Great topic, John. Kind of turns the tables on all the cattle prodding we do with these kids. Good time to humanize them ... a few days before the draft.

It really depends on the kid. If my son is Sean O'Sullivan, I'm more prone to encourage him to go pro. He's a baseball player to the core, has incredible talent, and looks like he belongs on the field instead of in a classroom. If my son is Kevin Correia, I'm more prone to recommend college because he is an incredibly intelligent kid. In either case, I think the most important thing is to encourage the kid to follow his heart, and do what he feels right. It's a decision a kid needs to be able to make for himself.

by StickRat on Jun 1, 2006 8:27 PM EDT reply actions  

it's really pretty simple
Free ride at a top academic school or 6 figures to ride crappy buses and stay at cheap motels for the best years of his life?

Better be smart and go to school.  I guarantee college is a hell of a lot more fun than playing in the minors.  Plus you get an education that can lead to even more $$$$ down the road than a minor league contract.  Besides, I wouldn't think that going to college was a huge hindrance on his development as a player.

It'd be an easy decision for any child of mine.

by dj @ Minor League Ball on Jun 1, 2006 8:36 PM EDT reply actions  

first off
Even top prospects often can't get full scholarships.

Also, if your kid is a 3-4th (or even 8th or later) rounder the signing bonus is enough to give him a "full ride" (in the sense that it covers all his tuition) and then some (and by some i mean half a million or more).

Also alot of team, in addition to signing bonuses, cover future tuition.

in addition if you want him to go to school for the academics you know he probably wont get a degree right?
If hes even a decent player he'll probably be gone after his third year

by nms on Jun 1, 2006 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly
Sounds to me like very few people on this site know much about how college baseball works.

Nebraska for example has 5-10 players on $500 scholarships.  This is a D1, College World Series caliber team.

by HuskerBob on Jun 2, 2006 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

DING DING DING
Exactly.  To field A 25-man+ roster with 10-12 scholarships is impossible unless they are spilt up.  Each team would be taking a huge risk to have 1 or 2 guys on full rides.

This isn't college football where you have your 70+ scholarships and can give every player a full ride.

BTW, for those of you knocking the minor league lifestyle, the best year I had in my life was '89 playing in Charleston, SC riding buses and staying in cheap motels throughout the SAL.  It was far better than any year at Northwestern University and the great education I received and numerous roadies in the Big Ten.  It's pretty ignorant to speak badly about the lifestyle unless you have lived it.

by So Cal Bob on Jun 2, 2006 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depends
* Where is he drafted?
  - What round he is picked is paramount in what
    type of contract he is offered.

* Who is he drafted by?
  - Braves, Dodgers, etc... strong organization
    with excellent instruction and a love of arms,
    then sign if deal is good (minimum 6 figures).

  - Royals, Colorado, etc... perenial loser, bad
    location (not conducive to pitching), then go
    to college.

* GPA in High School?
  - Is he a student, athlete or a student/athlete?

Now the hard part ..... if college is the choice
is it JUCO or 4 year?  I would personally choose
a top JUCO program.  This requires some work on
his/your part.  This isn't a game and the choices
made now effect the outcome later.

* Scout the program/coaching staff
  - Will they guarantee you playing time?
    * Doesn't do you any good to go the top
      program in the country if you don't play

  - Is it a healthy environment/coaching style?
    * Grady Little type: laid back, good talker
    * Lou Pinella type: loud, football type coach
    * If you can't get along or respond well to
      the coaching staff it is not the right fit

  - Location?
    * If from a dry, arid environment going to
      a school where there is high humidity is
      probably not the way to go.
    * Does the weather allow year round training?

  - Education?
    * Degrees Offered?
    * Party School or Study School?

  - Scholarship?

Note: Also if college is the choice, you might
      want to see (affordability is key) if an
      insurance policy can be taken out on him,
      in case of career threatening injury.

Just my .02

       

by BLUEFAN on Jun 1, 2006 8:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Go if it's the Dodgers?
I can't agree with that.... I'm a BIG Dodgers fan, but the line of failed high school arms in the Dodger System is legendary.  Kiki Jones anyone? "Sore armed Dodger farmhand" is a repetitive statement.

If we're talking about money vs. college, it depends  more on what that money means to his entire family. If $300,000 is a lot of money to you, but not "life-changing" - in that both his parents are college educated and working in high tech professions, earning $100K apiece for example, then you go to college.

If both your parents wotk a farm and are barely breaking even month to month, $300 K not only changes your life, but theirs as well. You take the money, and put $100K away immediately to pay for college when you're done w baseball/ in the offseason.

I'm college educated, and make a nice living. If I could spend a year in the lowest of minors, I'd have done it for the experience and then go to college afterwards.  You can enjoy college just as much from age 20-24 as you do from 18-22.

If my son (he's 8 now, so not planning on it) faces that choice, I'd probably advise him to go pro, then I'd support him in college afterwards if he needed, just like I would have when he was 18.

I am reminded of the immortal words of Socrates, who said, "I drank what?"

by kings33 on Jun 2, 2006 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

What free ride
even good baseball player are usually not on full scholarships

by nms on Jun 1, 2006 9:14 PM EDT reply actions  

saying that you want your kid to go to college
is ideal but things change when $100,000 is waved in your face

by lsu31always on Jun 1, 2006 9:45 PM EDT reply actions  

sign
I'd obviously first get his feelings on the matter, but my initial reaction is to advise him to sign.  It really is a one in a million opportunity, and since he's a bright kid, he can always try college if his minor league career doesn't pan out.  

If scouts really think he's 4th round material, I'd say its a no-brainer.  No need wasting anymore innings in amateur ball.

by SmokeyJoeWood on Jun 1, 2006 9:46 PM EDT reply actions  

First
First I tell him that I can't possibly be his father as neither I nor my GF are even close to 6'3".

Second, I get someone smart (Like John) to lay out accurately just what his options are and tell him that he's a man, it's his decision.  A friend of mine faced a similar situation recently, graduate school or returning to play soccer for the Mexican Women's soccer team.  Like my advice to her was, I would say to him that college will still be there in 2 or three years if things don't work out, but this opportunity might not come around again if you wait until after 2-3 years of college/grad school.  Though he MUST put his signing bonus into savings because there's no way I'm paying for him to go to college if he blos a 100k signing bonus.

God rested one day out of 7, Felix rests 4 out of 5.

by CrimsonLiederhosen on Jun 1, 2006 9:55 PM EDT reply actions  

BTW
I'm someone who values education over almost anything in the world, but if this is what his DREAM is (which I imagine it probably is) then you need to grab that opportunity by the throat and not let go.
God rested one day out of 7, Felix rests 4 out of 5.

by CrimsonLiederhosen on Jun 1, 2006 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Initially, I would have said go to college...
But... if the money is on the table, you might as well take it, because it might not be there again. College will be an option no matter what happens, but the chance to sign for a couple $100,000 may not be.

by calig23 on Jun 1, 2006 10:11 PM EDT reply actions  

my take
As the father of a future draft pick I can tell you my advice will be to take the money and turn pro. The idea of him not making it doesn't bother me. If he does flame how long before you know? You should have a good idea in the first 2 years if he is going to have the stuff to advance. How many of us would of put school of two years to play some pro ball?

He could also start working on a degree during the winter.

by Josh @ Minor League Ball on Jun 1, 2006 10:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Easy Question
From Kansas? You send your son to Wichita State where Brent Kemnitz will develop him into a 1st Rd talent in 3 years.  It's essentially an investment, by turning down hundreds of thousands of dollars now, he'd be earning Millions in a few years.  See Mike Pelfrey, Darren Dreifort, Braden Looper, Ben Christensen, Mike Drumright, Tyler Green; all 1st Rd picks.  Kemnitz might be the best assistant coach in the history of college baseball and doesn't overwork his pitchers like you'll find at Rice.  Aaron Shafer chose this path and after being named the MVC Pitcher of the Year as a Freshman, it looks like he made a wise decision.

by scoob14 on Jun 1, 2006 11:00 PM EDT reply actions  

MVC is second rate baseball
No offense, but the MO is WAY down right now.

by HuskerBob on Jun 2, 2006 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes
It is second tier but he makes good point that Wichita St recruits locally and turns them into high round picks.

Wichita St, regardless of conferecne, is a top tier program

by nms on Jun 2, 2006 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kemnitz
Not only will he get a good coach, but if your child is lucky, Kemnitz will also teach him how to throw a fastball into an opposing player's face and ruin his career.

by RCCook on Jun 2, 2006 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

If my son is an athlete...
...I've got some questions for my girlfriend that I want answered, now.

by multiphasic on Jun 2, 2006 1:37 AM EDT reply actions  

probably go pro
If he's looking at a 6 figure signing bonus, I don't know why he wouldn't go pro (unless he didn't want to of course).  Think about it... I'd have him take 100k and stick it in a fairly safe investment.  If his pro career fails (which at this stage is more likely than it is not), he takes that money out and goes back to school and gets a job...  He's probably no further behind financially after all of this then he would be if he went to school right away.  

Second, he could take some classes over the winter, and if the team thought highly enough of him, he could probably sign and be assigned to a junior college  to be developed there instead of in the minor leagues.  

Go pro... unless he doesn't want it.

by diehardtwinsfan on Jun 2, 2006 7:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Choices
It seems that the easy answer is to say go pro- take a shot and you can always go back to school later, however I temper that thought by thinking further... what if your son is being recruited to a top baseball program- say Oklahoma St., USC, Cal-St. Fullerton, Pepperdine etc.  then maybe the consideration should change.  A good college program could allow him to develop for 3 years - get bigger, stronger and develop as a pitcher and then get drafted higher after 3 years.

My other thought is that with pitchers- they can injure their arm at any time so why not take the shot while it's there and get the money.
I'll have to stick with that thought-  go for the draft and take a shot.

by rooker72 on Jun 2, 2006 8:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Same wave length...
We are thinking on the same wave length here. I'm all for him going to college and getting an education that will better himself in the long run, but passing up an opportunity to play professional baseball would be very very tough.

It would come down to what programs, what team picks you, and where the best chance lies for him in three years.

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by rockies73 on Jun 2, 2006 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Go over the pros and cons....
....of both options with him.  Since both options are defensible, I would try not to weigh in too heavily with my opinion.  I'd let him make this choice for himself (after making sure he understands everything that should go into such a major decision).
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by KevinApps on Jun 2, 2006 8:25 AM EDT reply actions  

School
Go get an education, at least for two years.  Take care of your body, learn from coaches and get seasoned.  

Go to a warm weather school where you are able to play more outside and get use to the weather.  

Stay out of trouble, and dont get injured and themoney will be there in budles when you are out.  If you get hurt or pro ball doesnt pan out, then you have half your way through college and can get your degree.

by ChrisRef19 on Jun 2, 2006 8:48 AM EDT reply actions  

John: HAve you been watching...
Deal Or No Deal?  That's essentially your question.

How much does the money mean to you, and are you willing to risk it all for more?  Could easily be called, "What's your price?"

We're all whores... all we negotiate on is price.

I am reminded of the immortal words of Socrates, who said, "I drank what?"

by kings33 on Jun 2, 2006 8:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Send him to school
If he is bright and he is a decent player I'd check out schools like Stanford and Duke.

Someplace where he can place ball and get a great education.

Sending him to someplace like U. of Kansas, while great, doesn't cash in on his athlete status.

Get him into the best school you can while he has that young arm.

If things look like they're working out, he can turn pro as a junior and finish school later.

by Montreal97 on Jun 2, 2006 8:55 AM EDT reply actions  

HAHAHA
You'd send him to Duke as a baseball player?

Wow...and you think Kansas' top 25 ranked baseball program would shortchange his athletics eh?

by nms on Jun 2, 2006 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's a pitch count?
If this same question was asked five years ago, my response would've been send him to college.  As for which college, the short answer is, it depends (comfort level away from home, value of education, program's history with top-flight H.S pitchers, etc.).  

However, after playing four years of college baseball and watching many a game over the past few years, my answer today would be to SIGN ON THE DOTTED LINE ASAP!  College coaches are paid to win first, develop second.  I've seen way too many 143-pitch, 8-inning outings for my liking.  Also, take a look at what professional organizations are doing with their teenage arms (Brandon Erbe comes to mind).  5 Inn, 75 pitches.  There's no way Erbe comes out after 75 pitches if he's throwing for LSU in a weekend SEC tilt.  

by ftheyankees on Jun 2, 2006 10:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Try asking him
It's his life; not yours.  Your role as a father is to provide the neccessary information, resources, and support for your kids to be capable of making important decisions on their own.  Your role is not to make tough decisions for him or force him down a life path of which he is not suited.  

If it's your son's dream to play ball professionally then he'll probably choose to sign.  If not, he'll probably go to college, get smart, and hopefully improve enough to get picked higher in four years.  

Both choices are solid, well-reasoned approaches and both can serve a young ballplayer well.  To argue which is the correct choice is fine and dandy; just remember whose choice it is...Mr. Marinovich.

by Jaerbesan on Jun 2, 2006 10:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Re: Try asking him
Ok, I agree with your overall point, however, this is a minor league baseball forum, so I don't think we need to examine "the role of the father" in this debate.  Also, we're talking about a high school senior.  I'm quite comfortable with an adult making the informed decision in this spot.  

by ftheyankees on Jun 2, 2006 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lambo
Go to the University of Texas... Augie has fewer salary and bonus restrictions than most major league organizations.

by lamberty on Jun 2, 2006 12:19 PM EDT reply actions  

My advice to my son would be
Don't have any regrets.

If he goes to college and blows his knee out playing a pick-up basketball game - he could end his baseball career in an instant.  Trust me when I tell you that college players lose as many games to non-baseball related incidents as they do to on-field injuries.  

The money thing - if the average american earns $40-50,000 per year and a bonus is thrown in his face in the neighborhood of 400-500,000, that means that he would be 32 before he earned that much money given 4 years of college (optimistically) and 10 years of work.  That doesn't even take into account time value of money.

All that said - I would encourage him to take the money within limits.  No $100,000 cars or any of that other nonsense.  That would be fall-back money in case baseball did not work out to cover college, down payment on a house, etc.  

However - follow your dreams and never leave anything on the table!

by slickwdb on Jun 2, 2006 1:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Adults?
Ok, I agree with your overall point, however, this is a minor league baseball forum, so I don't think we need to examine "the role of the father" in this debate.  Also, we're talking about a high school senior.  I'm quite comfortable with an adult making the informed decision in this spot

High school seniors aren't adults and I thought the question was what advice you would give, not whether the kid should take it.

I didn't realize college baseball didn't provide full-ride scholarships. The bonuses in the third and fourth round are in the $300-400,000 range. That puts the weight heavily on the side of signing. Unless the kid has a clear direction for school, he's better off taking the money. He can spend his winters going to classes while working out. Or go back to school when the baseball career is over.  

by TT @ Minor League Ball on Jun 2, 2006 3:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Semantics
Not to argue semantics, but from my experience most people are 18 when they graduate HS (which is about when the draft is held) and 18 is prety much a standard age for someone being considered an 'Adult'.  They can smoke, vote, legally sign contracts and be drafted into the military.  That's pretty adult.
God rested one day out of 7, Felix rests 4 out of 5.

by CrimsonLiederhosen on Jun 3, 2006 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Adults
That's pretty adult.

Not really. Not in the context of making decisions about their life without adult guidance.

by TT @ Minor League Ball on Jun 3, 2006 10:16 AM EDT reply actions  

College all the way
Baseball is such a crapshoot; if your son is bright and a good baseball player, send him to Stanford, or if he's not elite enough to get in there, try Harvard, Princeton, etc.  The education he'll get there will easily be worth more than the few hundred K he'll receive, over the long run, and he'll hedge his options.

If he develops accordingly, he'll still get his chance to try out for the Show in the future.  If he doesn't (as is more likely), then he has an elite education to fall back on, and will have a wide array of options open.

Even down the line, the smart jock does pretty well, especially should he be interested in some field of work where networking is important (i.e. banking, lobbying, politics, etc.)

by dkmin on Jun 3, 2006 12:24 PM EDT reply actions  

exactly
"Baseball is such a crapshoot"

So take the garunteed half-mil plus right now.

Also, several studies have shown that an Ivy League education doesn't make a big difference for the students than a lower tier instituion in terms of future employment and earnings when you adjust for the students personal credentials.

by nms on Jun 4, 2006 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

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