Just Manny being Manny
I hate that f***ing phrase. Manny gets away with anything and it really irritates me. He constantly asks to be traded only to change his mind a week later and the Red Sox are still letting him come to spring training late? When Miguel Tejada wanted to be traded did anyone give him the "get out of jail free card" and say, "Oh, it's just Miggy being Miggy." No. Nobody did that. They just called him an ungrateful batstard. WTF? I'm starting to seriously think that Manny Ramirez is somewhat mentally retarded or has the intelligence of a first grader. Why else would they let him get away with this crap? Sure he's one of the best hitters of the last decade, but one day the Red Sox need to grow a pair and hold this guy accountable.
Here's what I think a conversation between Terry Francona and Manny Ramirez is like after Manny has just asked to be traded, for the ninth time.
Francona: Manny. Come into my office.
Manny: Yes, Mr, um, Mr...
Francona: Manny, for the hundredth time, my last name is Francona.
Manny: Oh yeah. Im forgetful sometimes.
Francona: I know, Manny, I know. Manny come and sit on my lap.
Manny: Ok.
Francona: Now Manny, I heard you were saying some things to the press again, is this true?
Manny: Yeah.
Francona: Manny, how many times do I have to tell you? You can't talk to those people unless you ask me first.
Manny: I know Mr. Zambona, I'm real sorry. I'm forgetful sometimes.
Francona: I know Manny, it's not your fault. But you have to promise me that you will never do that again. Do you promise?
Manny: I promise.
Francona: Ok then. Now go take some batting practice Manny, but only if you want to.
Manny: Ok.
Francona: Manny, look at me.
Manny: Yes?
Francona: You know I love you right?
Manny: I know. I love you too Mr., um, Mr...
Francona: It's not important.
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Emergency
The Boston media loves tearing Manny apart, and will take every opportunity do to so. This is really no big deal.
BTW, as long as he chips in his .950+ OPS, I could care less what he does.
"now take some batting practice..."
I don't like the phrase much either, but I really don't care what he does as long as he continues to hit .292/.388/.594
Obligatory response to next comment: "Yes, but what about when he stops hitting?" Well, his contract will be up at that point, and he will be paid less than he is getting now, so it won't matter all that much.
by Marc Normandin @ Minor League Ball on Feb 22, 2006 8:35 AM EST reply actions
The Manny
by derbosspresident on Feb 22, 2006 9:14 AM EST reply actions
manny
- He's one of the greatest and most consistent hitters of his generation. When you produce the type of results he does, players tend to get some leeway.
- He won a World Series for Boston, if the Boston press started ripping on the guy, the fans would revolt against them. He won us a freakin World Series!
- He's harmless. Manny isn't a diva like Pedro, he isn't an a-hole like Bonds, he isn't psychotic like Carl Everett. He's not malicious or rude or mean. Yeah, he's an idiot, but he's a harmless idiot and you really get the sense he doesn't mean any harm.
- Because he's Manny.
by CrimsonLiederhosen on Feb 22, 2006 9:33 AM EST reply actions
Manny
by Brian38 @ Minor League Ball on Feb 22, 2006 10:11 AM EST reply actions
late
by CrimsonLiederhosen on Feb 22, 2006 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
Whatever
Hold him accountable for what? What, exactly, is he doing to the Red Sox? He keeps playing the game, he's not dogging any more than he usually dogs (that is to say, he doesn't give that much of a damn about playing LF, but since when did he?), and, again, being Manny at the plate makes up for a lot of drama in the press. His teammates seem to range from tolerance to liking him as a guy to have around. And he himself seems to understand that the Sox aren't just going to give him away and won't trade him if they not getting value back (and it's an implied compliment to his own value as a player that they won't trade him without getting value).
by NBarnes on Feb 22, 2006 10:28 AM EST reply actions
This is different than miggy
Miggy, like Arod, wanted to have their cake and eat it too. Manny just wanted some frosting and ended up with the most ridiculous press you could ever find.
But boy is it a pleasure to watch him swing the bat
Manny
The big difference is Manny never ever knocks the team, the players, or the organization.
Blinded by the OPS
This is the kind of behavior that I can't stand. The reason I love Baseball is in spite of players like this that are so many in other sports. You can't accept behavior like this. If it is tolerated it will be the demise of the sport.
Not trying to be mean, just don't kid yourself about a player because he is good.
Disagree
Now, on the other hand, I agree with you if you are talking about Bonds or Milton Bradley or someone of that ilk. Those guys are first-class jerks, and you would only root for them if they were on your team. Even then, I'd find it tough to root for a guy who attacks a fan like Bradley or Albert Belle or is a complete racist jackass like Bonds. We are definitely in agreement on those types of guys.
Manny
by CrimsonLiederhosen on Feb 22, 2006 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
No
cronie....
bullcrap
No, back in the day, you had players who climbed into the stands to beat up armless hecklers. Everyone talks about the 'good old days', but guess what, they weren't actually any better. You had players showing up drunk and throwing World Series for money (you think they cared about the fans?).
Stop deluding yourself.
by CrimsonLiederhosen on Feb 22, 2006 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
that's....
by the pinstripes on Feb 22, 2006 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
Act
Oh, and I also said you're an idiot for your overtly bigotted comments.
Oh and if you want examples of white trash in sports, how about john Rocker? Pete "I thew away my legacy for a couple bets" Rose? Wayne "The next Pete Rose" Gretzky?
by CrimsonLiederhosen on Feb 22, 2006 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
first of all....
by the pinstripes on Feb 22, 2006 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Gretzky
Even if they prove Gretzky bet on other sports that is not illegal or immoral.
Illegal?
by CrimsonLiederhosen on Feb 23, 2006 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
They arent accusing.....
There has also been no accusations of anyone involved in hockey betting on hockey. In fact, all reports say that none of the hockey players, etc. involved gambled on hockey, only other sports.
Now I will admit that it is illegal for them to have bet at all but its nothing they should be kicked out of the sport for. They should get the same fine or whatever that everyone else would get and then should be left alone to go back to their job. Theres is definately no point in going about dragging Gretsky's name through the mud when he hasnt done anything illegal at all and hasnt even been accused of illegal activities.
BTW......
well...
by the pinstripes on Feb 22, 2006 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
Wait what??
by sasquatch83 on Feb 22, 2006 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
no.....
by the pinstripes on Feb 22, 2006 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Confusion
by sasquatch83 on Feb 22, 2006 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
I am merely...
by the pinstripes on Feb 22, 2006 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Ok look
athletes that do drugs and act like jackasses
and
race
whereas I would make a connection between
athletes that do drugs and act like jackasses
and
money, yes-men, fan worship, lax guidelines in a system that loves to say "boys will be boys" which in fact encourages them to act as if they had egos the size of small planets
by sasquatch83 on Feb 22, 2006 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
o.k.....
by the pinstripes on Feb 22, 2006 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Well...
Boggs
by CrimsonLiederhosen on Feb 22, 2006 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Wait....
by the pinstripes on Feb 22, 2006 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Clemens
by CrimsonLiederhosen on Feb 22, 2006 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
One person to ask
in my opinion...
by the pinstripes on Feb 22, 2006 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
Different
Clemens blatantly threw at Piazza's head, and Piazza has no respect for that. Nor should he.
no difference...
by the pinstripes on Feb 22, 2006 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Crimson...
by the pinstripes on Feb 22, 2006 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
oriental Athletes
by CrimsonLiederhosen on Feb 22, 2006 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Partially agree
And even in Japan, which is the country we're concerned about, individual expression in sports has been on the rise in the past 30 years.
But yes, Japanese women are treated like crap. Then again women in this country are treated like second rate citizens too a lot of the time.
It's interesting how the Japanese youth are finding ways to buck the salaryman/woman ideal of the 80's, and while individual freedom is nice, it raises a lot of concerns about the future of the country.
by sasquatch83 on Feb 22, 2006 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Now you're going into how they treat women?...
by the pinstripes on Feb 22, 2006 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
lol
by CrimsonLiederhosen on Feb 22, 2006 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
no.....
by the pinstripes on Feb 22, 2006 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
Clemens is a money whore
Rose
by CrimsonLiederhosen on Feb 22, 2006 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
You questioned his character
He gives back. He supports a ton of organizations. He gives his wife so much money to do philanthropies that she is one of the charitable leaders in this area. That is character.
Don't compare that to Rose. And don't drag Wayne into this whole gambling thing either.
Why?
by CrimsonLiederhosen on Feb 22, 2006 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
oops
by CrimsonLiederhosen on Feb 22, 2006 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
um
I don't recall.....
by the pinstripes on Feb 22, 2006 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Mr. Steroids
by SmokeyJoeWood on Feb 22, 2006 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
well....
by the pinstripes on Feb 22, 2006 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Romo
He ruined people's careers (one guy's at least), and hit the tar out of his own teammates during practices.
by sasquatch83 on Feb 22, 2006 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Top ten list
Quickly in less than two minutes write down the 10 most villainous CURRENT atheletes or CURRENT atheletes that do not represent their sport in a good light.
I did this and nothing was mentioned about race before I did the list. I was completely suprised by the list that I created. Right at that moment I thought that I must be some kind of racist.
is that
Some of the worst I can think of...
Bob Knight
Barry Bonds
Sheffield
Romo
Marty McSorley (dunno if he's still playing, it's been a few years)
TO
Artest
BH Kim (not the worst by any means and doesn't really belong on the list, but felt he ought to be mentioned after pinstripes' fawning over asian players)
Eli Manning (a petulant, spoiled little brat)
Some of the best:
Troy Brown
Tim Wakefield
Edgar Martinez (retired, but just the epitome of a classy guy)
David Ortiz
Tim Duncan
Brett Favre
by CrimsonLiederhosen on Feb 22, 2006 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
To conclude that conduct that's illegal or detrimental to the team is significantly affected by race is a very problematic statement, to say the least, in my opinion.
by sasquatch83 on Feb 22, 2006 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
Media
by sasquatch83 on Feb 22, 2006 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
you need to revise that list a tad...
Manning?
How about adding the following,
Randy Moss
Milton Bradley
Kobe Bryant
Allen Iverson
Carl Everett
Albert Belle
Ugueth Urbina
Manny Ramirez
Ricky Williams
etc...etc...
by the pinstripes on Feb 22, 2006 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed on Kim
Oh...
It's one thing
by CrimsonLiederhosen on Feb 22, 2006 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
You are
If you think the media is racist then you are wrong. The media is notoriously race-bating, but saying that "he" is not being portrayed fairly because of "his" race. They cut enough slack for minority atheletes to run the Kentucky Derby inside the slack.
My list consisted of 9 African Americans and Tony Stewart because I wantch NASCAR and I hate him.
I was just trying to give a racional example of what Pinstripe was saying so people don't just start bashing him as a racist, which is unfair.
If you actually READ
As for Eli Manning... I think any spoiled little rich brat who whines and cries like he did to get to NY is absolutely an example of some of the worst crap in the sport. It's a different kind of crap than what TO does, but it's still crap and it still stinks.
by CrimsonLiederhosen on Feb 22, 2006 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
so....
by the pinstripes on Feb 22, 2006 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
yup
by CrimsonLiederhosen on Feb 22, 2006 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
And
by CrimsonLiederhosen on Feb 22, 2006 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
hahahaha
A harmless exercise
Plus, it is a top ten of the top of your head. This environment is not condusive to that. It is not a bad guy list. It is the worst 10 off the top of your head.
wow...
just...
by the pinstripes on Feb 22, 2006 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Actually
by CrimsonLiederhosen on Feb 22, 2006 4:00 PM EST reply actions
Oh, please
White players are very very skilled at talking to the media (with a few obvious exceptions). I've seen minor league players doing interviews for papers or News shows and seeming very humble, well natured, etc etc, and as soon as the tape stops rolling they're the biggest jerks of all time.
Pinstripes, I suggest you not judge players on how the media portrays them, whether in a good light or a bad light. The media is a group of people, and people have their biases, both positive and negative, and they will report through those biases.
I feel confident in saying that Bernie Williams is a great, humble, courteous person. I feel likewise confident in saying TO is a selfish idiot. But in between is a gray area I don't think we should tread on.
And I agree with whoever said that people are improperly remembering "The Good old Days". Are you serious? Baseball used to be played with the biggest jerks you could ever find. There are plenty of a-holes in the baseball books: Cobb and Ruth are two of the greatest players ever, and they may be two of the biggest scumbags ever as well.
And finally, can we all look in the mirror before we say "I wish these athletes would do XYZ" or be more humble or whatever? I was at a bar recently when some big shot, late 20's stock broker waltzes in ( I happen to know the guy, play poker on occasion). This dude is as cocky as can be and starts talking about how athletes should be more humble. Pot calling the kettle black much? Come on.
As they say, let he who has not sinned cast the first stone
you know what....
by the pinstripes on Feb 22, 2006 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
I'd prefer
by CrimsonLiederhosen on Feb 22, 2006 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
well.....
by the pinstripes on Feb 22, 2006 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
Racism
The issue is a lot more complex than "The Top 10 Idiot Athletes are All Black" - because even if you could prove that, which I don't think you can, we would STILL need to talk about how the media portrays race, how we perceive race, how the various sports leagues pander to racial stereotypes even as they try to homogenize and control their athletes....
by sasquatch83 on Feb 22, 2006 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
sasquatch...
by the pinstripes on Feb 22, 2006 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
one issue
I don't think race has anything to do with it.
I do think one could argue that economics and upbringing is a factor, but that is a whole different discussion.
by SmokeyJoeWood on Feb 22, 2006 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know
huh?
by SmokeyJoeWood on Feb 22, 2006 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
The argument
by CrimsonLiederhosen on Feb 22, 2006 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
To you and Smokey
Also comparing a statement to an act of physical racist violence of the past is not just. The generations of the past are not to be compared in social responsibilities. They did not live the way that we do now and were not conscious of things that we are now.
My point of this whole thing is that Please don't say that someone is a racist from an observation that the comment on. It is such a harsh word that you should always be sure about.
A good question to ask yourself about this would be; Do I think that Pinstripe or Shamus are rooting for the detriment of a race or would they willingly partake in an act of violence against another human based on that persons race?
actually....
by the pinstripes on Feb 22, 2006 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
my point is
by SmokeyJoeWood on Feb 22, 2006 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
Words
by CrimsonLiederhosen on Feb 22, 2006 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
well....
by the pinstripes on Feb 22, 2006 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
interesting post-script
by CrimsonLiederhosen on Feb 22, 2006 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
not about good/bad
I do not buy the media thing. Then you are talking some big conspiracy theory.
So what if the white guy is a jerk behind the scenes and nice on camera? Would you rather him be both?
It isn't about good/bad. It's about players embarassing themselves and the team in the public eye.
There is a difference from racism and trying to pretend that the problem doesn't exist.
And you even imply the white guys are smart enough to act on camera - thus implying us white guys are smarter than other races. I don't think you meant it. But those comments to me were worse than any others.
huh?
I'm not talking about a conspiracy at all. Are you trying to tell me that Media members and media outlets aren't biased? Are we living on the same planet? I'm not necessarily pointing to a race-bias, I'm talking about bias in general.
"So what if the white guy is a jerk behind the scenes and nice on camera? Would you rather him be both?"
I don't even know what this sentence means, but what i meant by my statement was that you can't judge a player by what you see on Camera or what's reported, because players are two-faced (like many people, I don't mean to single the players out). Frankly, i would prefer it if everyone were nice and cuddly 24/7, but I don't know what that has to do with anything
"There is a difference from racism and trying to pretend that the problem doesn't exist.
I think I understand what you're trying to say here, but I'm not totally positive. But if you're saying what I think you're saying (That pointing out a certain behavioral patern is not racist, it's an observation), then yes, I agree to a point.
"And you even imply the white guys are smart enough to act on camera - thus implying us white guys are smarter than other races. I don't think you meant it. But those comments to me were worse than any others."
That's not what I imply at all. I don't know if that's what you wanted to hear, but considering you're the only person to see it that way, I think it's fair to say that's not an accurate portrayal of what I was saying.
Being media savy and being smart are completely uncorelated. There are plenty of stupid people who know what to say in front of the camera and plenty of smart people who are completely oblivious. Maybe not everyone realizes the implications of what they say. Maybe some people want to be seen in a different light. But the smartness assertion is one that you made / saw, not one I implied.
Schilling being Schilling
by CrimsonLiederhosen on Feb 22, 2006 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
i hate.......
by the pinstripes on Feb 22, 2006 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
Why he could
what?
I hope you aren't saying he is a user, the guy looks like a professional bowler.
He was the one guy in that courtroom that could hold his head up.
by SmokeyJoeWood on Feb 22, 2006 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Schill
by CrimsonLiederhosen on Feb 22, 2006 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
you got that right....
by the pinstripes on Feb 22, 2006 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
I'll answer that question..
by the pinstripes on Feb 22, 2006 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
well...
You sure have a long list of people / things you hate, some of them seeming pretty harsh. There's a lot of hate in your posts.
I'm kidding of course, but to a degree
that's........
by the pinstripes on Feb 22, 2006 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
ok...
Well, Gentlemen, I feel like a lot of us would be on said list
Fault
by CrimsonLiederhosen on Feb 22, 2006 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
well.......
by the pinstripes on Feb 22, 2006 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
CRONIE.....
I've always wondered
Sorry. Just a thought.
by sasquatch83 on Feb 22, 2006 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
well
There's a card game a friend of mine loves called MLB showdown that involves rolling dice, but I don't know if it's realistic or not, or if it's any good
Showdown
by CrimsonLiederhosen on Feb 22, 2006 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
I'd just like to say
by Marc Normandin @ Minor League Ball on Feb 22, 2006 7:34 PM EST reply actions
You know, back in the day
by sasquatch83 on Feb 22, 2006 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
Well played my friend
by Marc Normandin @ Minor League Ball on Feb 22, 2006 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
Bringing it back to Manny
Rather unfortunate, if you ask me - I was looking forward to that lineup filled with 3 and 4 hitters, and frankly, Manny could probably use the games to warm up; it took him until June last year.
by sasquatch83 on Feb 22, 2006 8:50 PM EST reply actions
More
Chad Cordero is out as well.
Looks like Francouer will get a lot of playing time in RF. Excited to see how he plays.
by colinadam on Feb 23, 2006 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Whoops
Texas Rangers closer Francisco Cordero has a sore shoulder that will keep him from competing for the Dominican Republic in the World Baseball Classic.
by colinadam on Feb 23, 2006 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Manny
Exactly
by CrimsonLiederhosen on Feb 23, 2006 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
replying to previous comment
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