Oakland Athletics Top 20 Prospects

Daric Barton
OAKLAND ATHLETICS TOP 20 PROSPECTS
- Daric Barton, 1B, Grade A-
- Kevin Melillo, 2B, Grade B+
- Javier Herrera, OF, Grade B
- Cliff Pennington, SS, B
- Travis Buck, OF, B
- Danny Putnam, OF, B
- Santiago Casilla (Jairo Garcia), RHP, Grade B (changed from B+ book grade due to Age-Gate)
- Craig Italiano, RHP, B
- Shane Komine, RHP, B-
- Jimmy Shull, RHP, B-
- Jared Lansford, RHP, B-
- Kurt Suzuki, C, C+
- Vincent Mazzaro, RHP, C+
- Richie Robnett, OF, C+
- Dan Meyer, LHP, C+
- Jared Burton, RHP, C+
- Jason Ray, RHP, C+
- Ramon Alvarado, OF, C+
- John Rheinecker, LHP, C
- Justin Sellers, SS, C
I like both Buck and Putnam, but both have some risk of "tweenerdom" when it comes to power development.
I thought about raising Pennington's grade to B+. . .Baseball America ranks him ahead of Melillo due to questions about Melillo's glovework. But for now I will leave it the way it is. The question is not whether Melillo should be a grade B, but whether Pennington should be a B+. He doesn't have Melillo's power, but has better speed and better defensive value.
UPDATE: The general consensus is that Jared Burton is overrated on this list. Looking at it, I likely did not account sufficiently for age-relative-to-league factors. Grade C and a lower ranking would be appropriate.
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Meyer
by AthertonA on Feb 17, 2006 2:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Have we heard anything about Meyer?
by jamesloney4life on Feb 17, 2006 2:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
more precisely
by jamesloney4life on Feb 17, 2006 3:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As expected
Braden is not even on the list? Considering how their is barely any info on Ramon Alvarado, who dominated rookie league but ist 21 years old, i would have thought you would not even have him on the list.
The inclusion of Jared Burton is somewhat surprising. He dominated high A, but is 24 years old. My guess is that his sudden improvement was in become a closer (permanent reliever) rather than a swingman type. All his peripherals shot up significantly. I honestly don't know what kind of stuff he has though. Can you enlighten?
Also would have though Gregorio Petit makes it over someone like Alvarado. He's younger, 2 levels higher, has GG potential on defense... And had a good year with the stick. I thought he would be a C+ or something...
Another omission (IMO): Jason Windsor. Though you can't fit everyone.
One question: Do you know anything about Anthony Recker?
Overall, it's pretty much what i thought. A few high upside guys, with mostly "solid" prospect depth all the way down.
by ohad on Feb 17, 2006 2:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Also
I wrote about the A's top 20 prospects a few weeks ago, with comments. I'll post just the list with my projected (at the time) grades as well.
I should have replaced Recker/Webb with Sellers/Shull though.
1)Daric Barton: A-
2)Javier Herrera: B+
3)Cliff Pennington: B
4)Travis Buck: B
5)Kevin Melillo: B
6)Craig Italiano: B
7)Dan Meyer: B
8)Santiao Casilla: B
9)Vincent Mazzaro: B-
10)Shane Komine: B-
11)Jared Lansford: B-
12)Dallas Braden: B-
13)Danny Putnam: B-
14)Richie Robnett: B-
15)Jason Windsor: C+
16)Jason Ray: C+
17)Kurt Suzuki: C+
18)Ryan Webb: C+
19)Gregorio Petit: C+
20)Anthony Recker: C
I should have taken Recker and Webb off, their numbers simply weren't good enough. I also noted Alvarado, though since i have basically no info on him didn't include him. Should have left in Sellers and Shull.
by ohad on Feb 17, 2006 3:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
stavisky
by finman on Feb 17, 2006 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
C
by ohad on Feb 17, 2006 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure he is in the next 10
I personally like Braden, Knox, Windsor, and Powell better than guys like Ray, Sellers, and Burton.
by LizardKing51 on Feb 17, 2006 5:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can't beat the cocks...
by cooper7d7 on Feb 17, 2006 3:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Herrera Vs. Gonzales
I've seen it spelled both ways.
by The Scout on Feb 17, 2006 3:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
My take
Gonzales (age 19): 307/371/489 18 HR/7 SB 48/86/515 BB/K/AB
Herrera (age 20): 275/374/444 13 HR/26 SB 47/110/360 BB/K/AB
It's really close. Herrera has the rep for being a good defensive CF, while Gonzales is also considered a good OF, albeit as a corner. Herrera is clearly faster and takes more walks, but Gonzales is a little better pure hitter with better contact skills and had a slight isoP advantage. I'd take Gonzales because he is a year younger at the same level, but it is close.
by jc3 on Feb 17, 2006 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Herrera
by ohad on Feb 17, 2006 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt that
by mroak89 on Feb 20, 2006 10:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thunderdome!
by wily mo on Feb 17, 2006 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
gonzalez
Herrera's a fine prospect but Gonzalez is younger and, unlike Herrera, he doesn't strike out in a quarter of his plate appearances. I worry about about Herrera's ability to get the ball in play and utilize his speed against more advanced pitching.
by FI on Feb 17, 2006 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is off-topic but the Braves thread is buried
Thanks a lot!
by BaseballBrain on Feb 17, 2006 3:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Dan Meyer
by Ryan Heimberger on Feb 17, 2006 3:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
augh
by jpahk on Feb 18, 2006 1:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Injuries
In general, which do you grade higher with similar talent: a player coming off an extended injury, who has yet to play since the injury but has a clean bill of health, or a player who has been producing well recently, but has a very injury prone past?
by LizardKing51 on Feb 17, 2006 4:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Robertson???
by VegasSteve on Feb 17, 2006 5:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
by LizardKing51 on Feb 17, 2006 5:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Robertson
by FI on Feb 17, 2006 5:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
FI have you ever said one good thing about the A's
I don't agree with your analysis.
He was drafted in 2004 and played rookie and short season A ball that half year. In 2005, he started in low A and finished in AAA. I'd say his primary competition is the other relievers drafted in 2004, and he will start next year in AAA, well above the curve of where other 2004 relievers are at. It seems pretty successful for a 31st round pick to make it to AAA in around 100 total career innings.
by LizardKing51 on Feb 17, 2006 6:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think so.
Oh, and I really like Cliff Pennington. I don't expect him to be a superstar or anything, but I think he'll be an above-average shortstop in just a few years - I expect Crosby to get traded for a good young pitcher sometime around 2008/2009.
I was just pointing out reasons why Robertson might not get as much attention as you anticipate. He may have "finished in AAA", but that was only five innings. He spent the majority of his season walking one batter every other inning in A-ball. He could be good but he has a lot left to prove, in my opinion.
by FI on Feb 17, 2006 7:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
I think you are right on about Pennington, though it is awfully early to predict 2008 trades.
by LizardKing51 on Feb 17, 2006 8:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ziegler
by The Colonel on Feb 17, 2006 6:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Barton
.300 75 20 80 0 type seasons makes him a middle tier 1B. Not sexy at all. Im not sold on him and I think he is a guy to trade- talk to me, people.
by creepers on Feb 17, 2006 8:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Mambo Italiano
Does Craig T. Italian(aka C. Thomas Italiano) have the stuff to be a starter or do you think that he'll eventually move to the bullpen?
by The Rocc on Feb 17, 2006 10:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He has the stuff,
by gatling on Feb 18, 2006 12:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A few questions John
Why the full letter drop for Richie Robnett? Is it strictly on his poor strike zone judgement? You commented last year how you felt more sure about Robnett than Hererra, yet the grades don't reflect that now. I'm curious as to what you see for both players now.
Do you feel that Jason Windsor's struggle at AA is a bad sign for him, or do you expect him to rebound next year?
If Brian Snyder and Landon Powell comeback healthy next year, is it likely they climb back to the B range, or are they more likely AAAA guys?
by gatling on Feb 18, 2006 12:24 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
wow
i'd also move rheinecker up. he's pretty much major-league ready (not that there's an opening in this organization) and had been consistently decent prior to pitching great and then getting hurt in '05. the finger injury is an issue, but it's not a long-term crippler like an elbow or shoulder, at least in my mind.
by jpahk on Feb 18, 2006 1:01 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Rhino
by ohad on Feb 18, 2006 6:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
comments
Meyer's drop is due to his injury problem. Shoulder stuff, especially vaguely-described shoulder stuff, scares me, and the decline in his performance was across the board and distinct.
Braden relies on a trick pitch and the slippage in his numbers in Double-A makes him a Grade C in my mind.
Rheinecker should be/could be a C+ if healthy.
Windsor's K/IP rate collapsed at Midland.
by John Sickels on Feb 18, 2006 10:47 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
re
Braden was a year removed from NCAA and was struggling with fatigue and he still pitched decent in AA.
Burton was drafted in 2002...Out of college no less, and was still in High A. I wouldn't consider him a top 50 prospect in the system, let alone in the teens, ahead of Jason Ray, Dallas Braden etc
by blee1134 on Feb 18, 2006 1:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
burton
But Windsor and Braden having arm tiredness and shaky performance isn't exactly something in their favor.
by John Sickels on Feb 18, 2006 1:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Update
by ohad on Feb 18, 2006 3:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
powell
by John Sickels on Feb 18, 2006 3:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i'd have to agree
by ohad on Feb 18, 2006 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Komine rising
by StickRat on Feb 18, 2006 6:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Komine is an undersog type u can root for...
by rayver723 on Feb 18, 2006 7:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
in my opinion
by Isisaston on Dec 17, 2006 7:35 AM EST reply actions 0 recs













