Bruce, Maybin, McCutchen and Upton
These 4 are always grouped together and argued about after their first full season in 2006. With minorleaguesplits.com branching out into defensive stats, I thought this would be a good thing to look at.
All of these numbers are for the "plays above average per 150 games".
Jay Bruce is at +42 in CF
Cameron Maybin is at +21 in CF
Andrew McCutchen is at +1 in CF (Sally League numbers only)
Justin Upton is at +47 in CF
So, at least according to this Justin Upton and Jay Bruce are the very very good defensive centerfielders. Cameron Maybin is well above average, but not as good as Upton or Bruce. While Andrew McCutchen falls in at right about average.
Just a little food for thought to go with all of the arguements that everyone has had on here with these guys all included but we never really had any type of defensive numbers to go on, it was just all about what someone read on a scouting report somewhere.
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Your preference overall?
by CouncilmanJim on Nov 26, 2006 6:10 PM EST 0 recs
imo
Upton
McCutchen
Bruce
by Metty5 on
Nov 26, 2006 6:13 PM EST
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Bruce 4th on that list?
Personally I think he has the best bat of them all, and at least according to this, he is great defensively....so just wondering what the reasoning was.
I go
Jay Bruce
Justin Upton
Cameron Maybin
Andrew McCutchen
I go Jay Bruce first becuase I think he has the best bat (before he had his shoulder injury, he was hitting .310/.380/.547 then tailed off the last 3 weeks of the season after the injury). He also plays very good defense.
I like Justin Upton slightly over Maybin. I think he is more advanced as a hitter. He has a little more pop in his bat and plays very good defense at a position he has never really played before.
Maybin is a good hitter, but I dont think he can sustain his .415 BABIP he had last season, becuase truthfully, its absolutely insanely lucky. He plays good defense, and he is very fast.
McCutchen finishes 4th on my list, but thats not really a bad thing, I see him being a very good player. His defense, especially compared to these guys seems to be a major drop off. He has some power in his bat, but he is a little undersized right now but obviously has the time to grow some.
Anyways, thats my list and reasonings.
by dougdirt on
Nov 26, 2006 7:45 PM EST
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Mine
Bruce
Upton
Maybin
Maybin had too many K's and too few XBH's for a kid who's 6'3" 200 pounds. I think the XBH's will come, but I'm not impressed. 385 AB's and 116 K's, that needs some serious work.
Upton had a pretty good walk rate, and didn't strikeout too much. He may have the most upside, but he also had the worst season of all four guys we're talking about here. If he puts it all together, he's the best of the bunch, I'm just not sold it happening.
Bruce had a pretty good season, and the 42 2B's is a great sign for future HR totals. He's a kid I see ending up in RF though, keeping his value down just a bit. I think he'll hit for the most power of the group, and I also think he's the most likely to reach his ceiling. I can see him being like Jim Edmonds, but a notch or two below defensively.
McCutchen is a guy I'm really excited about. I think he could be in the bigs by mid-2008. He's a true leadoff hitter, with good on base skills, a decent amount of pop, and speed. It's possible he could add 20 pounds and maybe an inch or two and be more comparable physically to the others in the discussion. I think he could be the player Milton Bradley looked to be in 2003. A potential 20-20 guy at least, with a possible 900 OPS would be ok from a leadoff hitter, especially one playing above average defense in CF. The way he seemed to step his game up in the brief time in AA is a very good sign in my eyes.
I don't think you could go wrong with any of these players. I'm sure alot of other teams wish they had talents like these in their system.
Just my two cents.
by gatling on
Nov 26, 2006 7:44 PM EST
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Upton
I think Upton will pick it up this year, but it might not be until the year after that people start to see how special this kid will be.
Remember he was learning a new position as well.
by pedrophile on
Nov 26, 2006 8:25 PM EST
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upton
The first is that he has the tools. I am no scout, but when I hear numerous scouts repeatedly telling me that he has the tools that remind them of Ken Griffey Jr. I know he is a special kid. I havent been able to ever see him in person, but watching him rake during last spring training, he looked like a big strong man. He actually kind of looked like Gary Sheffield in his prime.
Second, remember that the kid was only 18 all of last year. He was a year younger than those 4 other OFs. He should have been in high school going to prom, hanging with his friends, instead he was playing professional ball. In comparison, last year Jay Bruce, McCutchen, and Maybin were all 19 years old. Also, by all accounts, and this may be a reflection of his character, but he wasnt trying at all in low A, because he was bored with the competition. While it would have certainly been better for him to have "tried", I think you cant hold it too far against him since he was still so young. If he continues to display this behavior though, this will be a negative sign for the future.
He didnt have the awesome years that for example Bruce had, but he has the tools, he actually performed fine, and I look for the Dbacks to move him up to high A ball for sure. I have a feeling that we may see him at AA before the end of the year. I believe in his bat, and I am glad that the Dbacks moved him to CF in order to speed up the process of him reaching the majors and to allow him to concentrate on hitting.
by z4 landshark on Nov 26, 2006 8:23 PM EST 0 recs
good post...
I go:
Upton
Maybin (another physical specimen)
Bruce
Cutch
I separate them because Maybin and Upton are supposed to be on another level...as far as tools for a teenager are concerned....I love Bruce and Cutch, and it should be seen as no slight against them that they had to be drafted with Upton and Maybin...hey, some guys were picked in the same draft as Michael Jordan too...
by daveh33 on
Nov 27, 2006 5:31 AM EST
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Lack of effort
by Brickhaus on
Nov 27, 2006 11:05 AM EST
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i see your point...
by daveh33 on
Nov 27, 2006 2:03 PM EST
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Upton
My order:
Upton
Bruce
McCutchen
Maybin
by limozeen on Nov 26, 2006 9:55 PM EST 0 recs
Can't wait till Maybin
by Bondomania on Nov 27, 2006 10:29 PM EST 0 recs
Why so bitter?
I've seen your other posts where you're mad at the idea that his season wasn't all that amazing, and that he's overrated right now.
But you can't really deny facts can you?
by SenorGato88 on
Nov 29, 2006 9:59 AM EST
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