Marlins jokes

by jrfelix on Jan 2, 2006 7:41 PM EST

I want to set something straight. Jokes like this:

"Now, throw them in the National League East in place of the franchise that used to be the Florida Marlins."

aren't funny. Not only are they played out and not clever, but they dont even make sense. Disregarding the fact that the Marlins have still won more World Series than ANY FRANCHISE NOT NAMED THE YANKEES over the last 10 years, and that all of you would trade what your team has done over the last decade for what the Marlins have done, the Marlins roster RIGHT NOW isnt terrible. They could probably contend in the NL West. I mean, they arent even close to the worst team in baseball (probably the Royals), and there are at least a half dozen other teams whose roster I wouldn't even consider trading with even if there were no more baseball after this season (Rockies, Pirates and co., I'm looking at you.)

So all you bitter Nationals, Phillies, and Diamondbacks (in this instance) fans need to shut your yaps, because it's obvious you're just jealous of the 2008 World Series champs.

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2008

The only problem with your argument is that the franchise won't even be in Florida in 2008.

by GregJP on Jan 2, 2006 7:43 PM EST reply actions

Team is a joke

But because of Owner they have the fire sale (which I dont have a problem with) but to then RAISE ticket prices inexcusable! They cant get a stadium deal done this firesale was done in response to public not paying for a stadium.

I'm sorry but this franchise is a joke, sadly its not the actual teams fault.

by goalieguy on Jan 2, 2006 7:46 PM EST reply actions

agreed

ownership is a joke. but only because bud selig's hatchetman was brought in to extort miami for a stadium. i think MLB is the joke right now.

We have, I fear, confused power with greatness.

by jrfelix on Jan 2, 2006 7:49 PM EST reply actions

100% right

Remember the days when the commish actually cared about the sport of baseball & not the business/money side of it.

MLB is a joke.

by goalieguy on Jan 2, 2006 7:53 PM EST up reply actions

Florida Fans

Good to see they've kept their senses of humor about the whole thing.

Rios is the next Juan Gonzales, thats right, I said it.

by KaoticKlown on Jan 2, 2006 7:53 PM EST reply actions

thats the problem

i possess a wondrous sense of humor. and its being completely abused by assinine comments like 'heh heh the marlins are bad huh huh huh."

We have, I fear, confused power with greatness.

by jrfelix on Jan 2, 2006 7:59 PM EST up reply actions

Hate to break it to you but

Marlins are gonna be bad I think 70 wins is attainable but would be the best case scenario.

by goalieguy on Jan 2, 2006 8:02 PM EST up reply actions

hey

70 wins is like second place in the NL west.

We have, I fear, confused power with greatness.

by jrfelix on Jan 2, 2006 8:03 PM EST up reply actions

hostile

Is it me, or is this diary much more hostile than any comment he could have possibly read on this message board? This is a place for discussion. Lighten up.

starring Alfonso Soriano as Vinny C in RFK part deux

by natsfan2005 @ Minor League Ball on Jan 2, 2006 7:58 PM EST reply actions

again, i agree

the tone of what i posted is far more aggressive than any one comment. but it seems like there is a terrible marlins in every other thread i read.

the thing is, i wouldnt mind it if they were funny. but they never are.

We have, I fear, confused power with greatness.

by jrfelix on Jan 2, 2006 8:02 PM EST up reply actions

The MLB is not the joke that

the NBA or the NHL are and the NFL isn't exactly exciting. (The real joke is the NCAA, but that's for another blog.) I love baseball, period. I don't particularly like the Marlins, but I also don't like that their ownership and fan base seem to be, well, not so great. MLB should have insisted that they have some kind of stadium when they first started: Who wants to watch a game in Miami, outside and in July? Not me.

I'll just put this down. If the Marlins can get their shit together--and as much as Dan Lebatard assails Miami fans, I HAVE to believe that they would come to a better facility, better located, etc--they won't be THAT bad this year and they'll be preparing for another WS run in, say, two to three years. Now, I think that's pretty honest. The franchise (my view) appears pretty strong, arguably stronger than any number of teams.

I don't want contraction and don't believe in the myth of a dearth of MLB talent. (Ahh, read this site for a few days to see that, most of us seem to be on the same page.) I don't want the D-Rays, Marlins, Royals, Rockies, Nats, etc. to be AAA teams for the Yankees and Red Sox. Jesus, we live in a country that embraces underdogs, especially ones that play their hearts out. At the very least, I'd think that baseball fans would pull for the Marlins to exist competitively.

by kmdarcy @ Minor League Ball on Jan 2, 2006 8:10 PM EST reply actions

Hey, I like the 2006 Marlins

OK, they won't win that many games, but I think they will be fun to watch. All that youth striving their best? I'd pay to see it if I lived in the area. I'm being quite serious. There is something fun about watching a team with no pressure on them and everything to gain.

by FunWithHeadlines on Jan 2, 2006 10:45 PM EST reply actions

re

that was me that posted the "franchise that used to be the Florida Marlins" comment and I stand by it. I'm not trying to make a joke either of the sorry state and utter embarassment that the ownership has brought that franchise, not once, but twice in less than ten years.

And, as you can tell from my name, I'm from Arizona and a Dbacks fan. I would take what we have done in our existence (1998 to now) over what you have done in that time. We have a World title (you have one as well), we have three division crowns (you have none), and we have had five years of winning records in that time (you have had what, two, maybe three?). The Marlins have had two terrible firesales in that time, and despite this most recent one, our minor league system still destroys yours (especially after we sign Upton). We have been better in the past, are better in the present, and will be better in the future.

Take heart though, they will be the Las Vegas Marlins soon enough

by ScottAZ on Jan 3, 2006 12:40 AM EST reply actions

whoooooaaaa

slow down buddy. one step at a time now.

"our minor league system destroys yours"

according to who? last i remember, when there was a poll on this very website about which team had the best farm system, the marlins were number 3.
p.s.: the diamondbacks were not numbers 1 or 2.

"we will be better in the future"

i agree. especially if the d-backs continue to make great moves like signing russ ortiz and trading johnson and schilling for peanuts.

Just my 2 cents. :-)

Take care and have a nice day!

We have, I fear, confused power with greatness.

by jrfelix on Jan 3, 2006 2:31 AM EST up reply actions

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Wow! Yours is better because it was voted on by a poll at a Blog website? I'm sure that would standup in any arguement. Especially when this site is flooded with homers. Who was #1, the A's?

Besides from Hermida, the Marlins have no sure thing in their system, unless you want to get excited over what will be the biggest hyped bust since Ruben Rivera (Hanley Ramierz). Other than Olsen, I'm not sure if the Marlins have anyone that could crack the Dbacks top 7-8. Lets see, the Dbacks have Justin Upton, Stephen Drew, Carlos Quinten, Connor Jackson, Chris Young, Carlos Gonzalez.... The Marlins have Hermida, Olsen, and....Hell, they didn't even get Papelbon or Lester for Beckett. You'd think that with all the studs the Marlins have traded, they'd get at least 3-4 top 100 prospects in return. I see maybe two, Ramirez and Sanchez.

Oh well, maybe some of these kids will break through around the time they arive in Vegas. What would be a good name? Vegas Gamblers? Vegas Cowboys? Vegas Marlins?

by ScottAZ on Jan 3, 2006 10:03 AM EST up reply actions

(cough cough)

number 1 was anaheim. number 2 was LA. and disparaging this community probably isnt the best tactic, as sickels himself usually agrees with the general consensus. and as far as overrated systems go, the uptons havent proven anything so far, quentin and jackson just mashed up a hitters league, chris young hasnt done anything substantial with the stick as of yet, and who is carlos gonzalez? talk to me when you have ANY pitchers.

the marlins, on the other hand, well, their pitchers include Yusmeiro Petit, Anibal Sanchez,Taylor Tankersley,Gaby Hernandez,Chris Volstad,Aaron Thompson,Travis Bowyer,Chris Resop and Josh Johnson. Not to mention Olsen or Vargas (or D-Train, class of 2003). Or any of the 3 pitchers from the Pierre deal.

I wouldnt trade Hermida for anyone in the D-Backs system, including Drew. And Mike Jacobs and Josh Willingham will put up better numbers this year than Quentin and Jackson. (Not to mention Cabrera, who is probably younger than some people in this discussion.)

Just my 2 cents. :-)

Take care and have a nice day!

We have, I fear, confused power with greatness.

by jrfelix on Jan 3, 2006 1:35 PM EST up reply actions

vegas cowboys

is a pretty good name.

We have, I fear, confused power with greatness.

by jrfelix on Jan 3, 2006 1:37 PM EST up reply actions

Upton

Has Upton even signed yet?

I kinda like the Vegas One-Armed Bandits...

"People think it must be fun to be a super genious, but they don't know how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world." - Calvin

by RVachon on Jan 3, 2006 3:19 PM EST up reply actions

No

Last I heard he was going to play for a JuCo. If that happens the D-Backs will only have a week to get him signed before the draft. IMO, Upton has all the power in this situation. His stock isn't going to fall if he doesn't sign, so if they don't give him the money he wants, he'll just go back into the draft, be drafted in the top-5 and get paid the 6 million he's asking for.

"Chuck Lamar, you're fired"- Stuart Sternburg.

by Tyler on Jan 3, 2006 3:49 PM EST up reply actions

leverage

He's got leverage... sure

But its not like the team has none. If Upton wants to play, going back into the draft isn't the greatest move. That next team may allow negotiations to drag out as well. He may lose yet another summer.

starring Alfonso Soriano as Vinny C in RFK part deux

by natsfan2005 @ Minor League Ball on Jan 3, 2006 4:07 PM EST up reply actions

Aww

I came here looking for some new jokes about how unexperienced Fish are!

Seriously, just lighten up. If Florida wins the WS in 2008, who'll be laughing then? It's a lot more fun to sneak up on teams when everyone thinks you'll be bad anyways. I know; I'm an A's fan. We did it this past year to some extent and we did in 99; it's a lot of fun to watch. The Fish might do the same with their prospects, D-Train, and Cabrera.

Hopefully, there will be better times ahead for your Fish like a new ownership (again I have experience with my A's) and that WS ring. Good luck; I'll be rooting for you until the greatest team since the '27 Yanks beats you in the WS!!

"The difference between Kobe and Jose Canseco is that Kobe doesn't believe in giving his teammates any shots."

by vignette17 on Jan 3, 2006 2:54 AM EST reply actions

Willis/Cabrera

"If Florida wins the WS in 2008, who'll be laughing then? It's a lot more fun to sneak up on teams when everyone thinks you'll be bad anyways. I know; I'm an A's fan. We did it this past year to some extent and we did in 99; it's a lot of fun to watch. The Fish might do the same with their prospects, D-Train, and Cabrera."

If the Marlins deliberately piss away two years of Willis and Cabrera's careers with back to back 100 loss seasons I'd bet against them signing extensions rather than test free agency.

by TINSTAAPP on Jan 3, 2006 10:10 AM EST up reply actions

re

My bet is Willis wants out as soon as the team moves to Vegas/Portland/?

Willis says he loves Miami, he lives there year round, and there is no place he'd rather live or play. I wonder how long he'd sing that tune in Vegas playing for a team of minor leaguers.

There have already been behind the scenes grumbling that Cabrera wants out.

by ScottAZ on Jan 3, 2006 10:16 AM EST up reply actions

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Jr, Perhaps a few deep breaths would be a good idea. Let's not let this get blown out of proportion. Every team has their detractors and takes their fair share of abuse. All you have to do is look to Boston to find a horde of detractors.

When a team has a fire sale, you have to expect these types of responses. You can take solace from the fact that they traded all of their players for mid to top prospects and can rebuild quickly. In my opinion, there's no need to be shooting barbs at everyone. I personally don't think they'll win more than 70 games this year, but in 2-3 years, they'll be pushing 90. So, try to focus on the plus side of the rebuilding stage and accept that they probably won't be able to contend with the Mets (or Braves) this year.

Please don't take this as an attack, but rather a suggestion to look at the situation from another perspective. Of course, that's just my take.

by lenred on Jan 3, 2006 10:52 AM EST reply actions

well said

We have, I fear, confused power with greatness.

by jrfelix on Jan 3, 2006 1:23 PM EST up reply actions

Irony

It's funny that more fans don't appreciate more business savvy moves from their home team's mgmt. Sure the Marlins have "other" issues/reasons for the unloading but at the end of the day if you're a Marlin fan you have to be glad you're not wasting money on guys THIS YEAR to compete with the Braves, Mets, and Phillies. Status quo would not cut it in 2006, so cutting salarly this year to improve in future years is a good move for the Marlins IMO. It's highly likely they couldve paid Delgado, Pierre, Castillo, etc, etc and STILL came in 4th in the division. With that in mind, a team who can't afford a huge payroll might be better off rebuilding and striking quickly when everything falls into place.

Whether this was strategic or just a by-product of the "situation" down there we'll never know. But as a fan who understands that baseball teams are businesses, I would be very upset with a management who continues to do just enough each year so they can say "look, we tried, not like those Marlins".

by rustic on Jan 4, 2006 3:06 AM EST reply actions