Miggy the Cancer?
I absolutely HATE hearing stories like this, especially with someone so young and so full of potential. It makes me appreciate guys like Pujols and Tex who don't say booo and go about their business.
I wonder if the media isn't blowing this up though? When guys like Conine chime in though, you know it's gotta be a decent-sized story...
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This is ridiculous...
by templeUsox on Sep 28, 2005 4:59 PM EDT 0 recs
Cabrera
by Marc Normandin on
Sep 29, 2005 6:16 AM EDT
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I feel the same way
It is clear jack McKeon is an absolute joke of a manager and it's a disgrace he got lucky and won a World Series. This ship is sinking fast. This comes right on the heels of Burnett's meltdown too. I don't think it's too coincidental.
by So Cal Bob on Sep 28, 2005 5:09 PM EDT 0 recs
Not to bring up...
by slurve on
Sep 28, 2005 5:54 PM EDT
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his horses were better
by So Cal Bob on
Sep 28, 2005 6:25 PM EDT
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Outclass
by CrimsonLiederhosen on
Sep 28, 2005 7:02 PM EDT
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Tony Perez...HOF
Concentrate on the words 'great future ahead of him, but that's up to him.' In other words---quit acting like a B*tch! Play AND practice like a professional!
Maybe Cabrera doesn't need to listen to Conine but he sure as hell needs to listen to Tony Perez.
by scarfo on Sep 28, 2005 5:45 PM EDT 0 recs
I know when I look...
by templeUsox on
Sep 28, 2005 6:24 PM EDT
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What?!?
Age 20: .268/.325/.468
Age 21: .294/.366/.512
Age 22: .321/.382/.557
Who knows what next year's stats will look like, let alone his peak 27-31 years...
His career comp as of right now according to baseball-reference.com is Hank Aaron (who I hear was pretty good in his day.)
My point here is that Cabrera is not the guy to be criticizing because the Marlins didn't make the playoffs. The kid hits the ball -- period, so let him do his job and lay off.
by Ur on Sep 28, 2005 7:02 PM EDT 0 recs
sarcasm
by natsfan2005 on
Sep 28, 2005 7:03 PM EDT
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What ever happened...
Cabrera is an exceptional talent, no doubt about it. But if he's not out there shagging fly balls with his teamate, showing up late, then I appluad the decision to bench his ass.
by cincyinco on Sep 28, 2005 7:26 PM EDT 0 recs
those are two real important
Both of those make teams win a lot of games.
by So Cal Bob on
Sep 28, 2005 7:35 PM EDT
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Sigh
Discipline is something I think thats long forgotten these days. Being a professional. This is a friggin JOB.
I'll put it this way. I have metrics that I have to meet in my day to day job. I exceed them every day. That does NOT mean I am allowed to show up late, take breaks whenever I want, or decide to not work. I get disciplined. Just as Miguel should.
I realize that Miguel's performance is not the problem... and he's not responsible for the Marlin's woes. But if he's not being a professional, then he gets benched. Bottom line, there are reprecusions for your actions. Look at Demaso Marte. Same type of situation. Guillen did the right thing there IMHO as well.
by cincyinco on
Sep 28, 2005 7:56 PM EDT
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I think it;'s safe to say
If you played the game you would know that arriving early FOR TREATMENT means arriving 1 to 2 hours BEFORE any of your teammates. And if you knew more about the story instead of typing ignorantly, Cabrera actaully felt fine and didn't want treatment. His arriving late was not out of disrespect to his teammates or anyone. Maybe he should have called the trainer to tell him. Make an example of your best player? Why? It makes no sense.
He's earned any entitlement by his oustanding performance and being the face of the organization for the next 10 years.
To compare your clock-punching job to that of a major leaguer is highly laughable.
If shagging fly balls was so important, McKeon or a vet should have said something. To come out in the paper 2 months after the fact is weak. Very weak! And go watch BP, there is not a problem shagging balls with all 10-12 pitchers lined up in the OF and the players kids. So, what's the issue? It's someone took exception to having to stand in the friggin' heat and humidity while he chummed it up in the dugout. Big deal.
Guillen's tact with Marte was correct and it was not the same. Guillen felt he wasn't hurt and was dogging it. Marte felt he was hurt. totally different.
by So Cal Bob on
Sep 29, 2005 1:08 PM EDT
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Sports are totally different...
by templeUsox on Sep 28, 2005 10:07 PM EDT 0 recs
Well
by Marc Normandin on
Sep 29, 2005 6:19 AM EDT
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Late for TREATMENT
by So Cal Bob on
Sep 29, 2005 1:09 PM EDT
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Keep in mind
I tend to err on the side of the players until truly damning evidence comes out. 9 times out of ten the media drums this crap up because people need to have something to write about. We know absolutely nothing about Miguel Cabrera's work ethic, and to judge him on the basis of an article like this is a joke.
If the Marlins don't want him, I know of about 29 other teams that would jump at the possibility to get the best 21-year-old hitter in baseball on their squad.
by jhelfgott on Sep 29, 2005 12:42 AM EDT 0 recs
not shagging flies
"Cabrera stopped shagging fly balls in July and August, instead sitting in the dugout with friends from his native Venezuela."
Ummmm, stopped shagging flys? Well, I can live with that. Whatever I suppose. But should his entourage be in the dugout before games? Has this sort of thing has become commonplace and I just didn't know about it? To this outsider it sounds like B.S.
by natsfan2005 on Sep 29, 2005 12:46 AM EDT 0 recs
the issue
If the story is just an attempt to find more problems in the Marlins' clubhouse then Cabrera is not a cancer. If the story has some truth then there is the possibility that a problem exists. The most important aspect is that of the effect his actions have on the team's inter-relationship or chemistry. Actions such as those suggested by the report invariably affect how other players feel about him. You don't have to like any of the guys out there you only have to perform. Other players though do lose respect for him as a professional baseball player. That is because there are certain things that are expected out of a professional as judged by other professionals. On the field performance is most important but it is not the whole story. That is because teams with poor chemistry consistently do not perform better than the sum of their parts and often underperform while teams with good chemistry often find ways to play above themselves. I have played professionally on both types of teams. I played on a team with good chemistry that managed to definitely outperform all expectations. The next year certain players were dropped and new "better" players were added. Some of these guys had "different rules" and did what they wanted. We finished with the same record as the year before and underperformed by all measurements. Individually, those guys had good years but in the end without chemistry the team just wasn't as good. They set a poor example. They did not make others and thus the team play better. While the fans and outsiders will not care if all they measure are the statistics of the individual player; the team's wins and losses will in the end be effected by the actions of any player, especially one of his caliber.
It is also an organization and a manager's responsibility to hold each player responsible for his actions and their effects on the team. A player is human after all. Attitudes and habits change over time. A player can lose his good attitude and player's with poor attitudes can develop good attitudes.
If and only if the report is accurately stating a problem then that behaivor can lead to noticeable differences in a team's overall performance and this is truly where the effect of a "cancer" will be felt.
by RJB7 on Sep 29, 2005 1:54 AM EDT 0 recs
seems like nonsense
I see two cases where clubhouse cancer stories get out. Sometimes, an overly arrogant manager or veteran is insulted because the players who are expected to be lower on the totem pole don't grovel properly. Other times a reporter feels insulted or is just trying to create a scoop.
An unrelated, but serious, issue is not trying during the game. Sometimes players will do this to try to get a manager fired or some other reason that I fail to see. The Reds this year looked like they weren't trying right before the manager was fired. Lo and behold, they have won much more often since then. Not being privvy to the Reds clubhouse, I have no idea what actually went on, but the effect was obvious on the field. If Cabrera ever starts dogging it on the field, then its a story. Until then, its just sour grapes and irrelevent to anything and anyone except the insulted party.
by cdamon on
Sep 29, 2005 5:06 PM EDT
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yes
I also agree that winning can build chemistry because that will always smooth egos and other issues while losing often reveals and aggravates them.
Chemistry brings that extra something that allows a team to play above themselves; to win more games than the sum of their parts would project.
by RJB7 on
Sep 29, 2005 6:42 PM EDT
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quoth Reggie...
~ Reginald Martinez Jackson
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