Why isn't King Felix walking anyone?
When a pitcher moves up the minor league ranks, you can expect some typical behavior. A flamethrower who mows them down in the A- and AA- level, still gets his strikeouts in AAA and in the majors, but usually at a lower rate. A pitcher's control over his walks can come back to bite a highly thought of pitcher when he reaches the major leagues. Ideally you get a pitcher who gets strikes and doesn't issue many walks. That way when they get to the bigs, he might only strike out 6 or 7 per 9IP, but by not walking many he sets himself up for success.
That's typical. And then there's Felix...
OK, let's take a look at Felix's K rate:
2003 (A), 69 IP: 11.9 K/9
2004 (A/AA), 149 IP: 10.4
2005 (AAA), 88 IP: 10.2
2005 (MLB), 29 IP: 9.3
That looks just about right. He dropped a bit at every level, but continues to be just great. You want to see a pitcher get at least 6 or 7 K/9, and he's doing far more than that.
But now look at his walk rate:
- 3.5 BB/9
- 2.8 BB/9
- 4.9 BB/9
Huh? What gives? He went from 3.5 down to 2.8 last year, and that's nice progress. Then he went to AAA this year and balooned up to 4.9, and that's the thing we all wondered about. Would he handle major league pitching, or would the walks cause him problems? But through 29 innings so far, including a second game against the Twins when they were trying to be patient and taking pitches, he has issued only 1.2 BB/9. Basically he's showing phenomenal control.
Why? Is this just a lucky start to his career, and his walk rate will soon rise? Or has he suddenly locked in, or figured something out? Why isn't King Felix walking anyone?
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lol...
i have an explanation
minnesota
kansas city
@minnesota
kansas city and detroit are 29th and 30th in the majors in walks, and minnesota's entire offense has been AWOL for about two months.
you
by DavidRoxFan17 on Aug 21, 2005 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Worse than AAA?
No, there is something else afoot. Is he concentrating more? Major league hitters, even the worst of them, are better than this if Felix hadn't made some sort of adjustment.
by FunWithHeadlines on Aug 21, 2005 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually
by CrimsonLiederhosen on Aug 22, 2005 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
For What It's Worth
maybe
Wait until the league adjusts to him, scouting reports get out, etc. It will be different.
BTW--look at the teams he has faced. They arent exactly the Red Sox on offense.....
David
by DavidRoxFan17 on Aug 21, 2005 10:20 PM EDT reply actions
Yes, but
by FunWithHeadlines on Aug 21, 2005 11:17 PM EDT reply actions
Another possibility
by irwin @ Minor League Ball on Aug 21, 2005 11:26 PM EDT reply actions
Possible explanation
I mean, he has risen through the minors very fast and it wouldn't be surprising if his high walk rate this year in AAA was due to him having to adjust how many pitches he threw in the strike zone. In the lower minors, I'm sure he could throw high fastballs, and low off speed stuff and get a lot of swings and misses, which doesn't happen higher up. Judging from his time with the M's so far, though, I don't see him approaching 4.9 walks a game again; his control is too good.
I know he's faced poor hitting teams, and will likely get flustered against great offenses and throw more balls, but watching the games you see he's been dead on with most of his pitches. It's not like he's getting by on luck, or hitter's chasing bad pitches. In fact, in the last game, the strike zone was rather small and he still only walked one. So, basically, I think it's a combination of him learning how to pitch more effectively to better hitters and the quality of lineups faced, in general, not being very good.
by yeoldejaco on Aug 22, 2005 12:43 AM EDT reply actions
2 Possibilities...
1. Like jdelaville mentioned, maybe Felix did get bored at AAA; I know Indians Pitching Prospect Fausto Carmona was giving up more than a hit/IP at AA Akron; at AAA Buffalo, it's well under a hit/IP (it's something like 48 hits in 68 IP or something like this, versus something like 112 hits in 100 IP at AA Akron.) How do you explain that?
John Mirabelli, Director of Player Development, mentioned in an interview that Fausto Carmona usually rises to the challenge of a new level; Felix may have had a similar rise in performance in his BB/IP with the advancement in level from AAA to the Majors.
2. I'm not familiar with all the PCL teams that Felix faced, but I know that Sacramento, Oakland's AAA affiliate is in that league. From what I've heard and know about Oakland's development, they teach patience and the value of taking a walk. That may have helped to boost Felix's walk rate at AAA.
There may be other teams in the PCL that also try to teach patience and the value of a walk - it just might not translate as well to the Major League Level as it has with Oakland.
So far in the Majors, Felix has faced two of the most aggressive teams in the Majors; he may have more difficulty in keeping his walk rate down when he faces more patient teams like Oakland and Boston.
We'll see (if not this year, certainly next year, although I would think Seattle will face Oakland again before the season ends, so we should get a better idea when Felix faces Oakland.)
wonder
by Goodfella on Aug 22, 2005 1:58 AM EDT reply actions
Sample size
He will walk people, and he will have some rough outings. This is a great start, though.
The Answer is Simple....
Felix has flown through the minors. His learning curve has been very very steep, and he has improved a great deal every year. It is important to remember that he is still only 19.
I think that Felix is a lot better pitcher than he was earlier this year (when he was in AAA).
He is using his change a lot more effectively, he is starting to use his slider a bit, and he is pitching to contact more. He has become an extreme ground ball pitcher. Now, the majority of Felix's outcomes are Ks or groundballs.
He isn't walking as many guys because he is not getting deep into counts as much. This is really evident in his pitch counts. Even in the last start agains Minn, he got though 8 innings only throwing 115. The start before that, he also got through 8 innings with a pretty low number of pitches.
What you are seeing is an extremely talented kid who is improving. His control has improved over the course of this year, and he just isn't walking many people. Plus, he is getting a lot of ground ball outs, which help him get outs without going deep into counts.
You guys who are downplaying his talent level are really mistaken. Felix is one of the best starters in baseball right now, at age 19. He is going to have a really great career.
by Jerry @ Minor League Ball on Aug 22, 2005 1:28 PM EDT reply actions
Any major league pitcher can go on a run like this
ip h w k hr
Bedard 30 19 5 30 0
Blanton 28.7 20 7 20 1
Bonderman 39 31 10 30 4
Byrd 31 16 3 18 3
Contreras 28 18 9 23 2
Halladay 63 46 5 55 2 (8 games)
Haren 44.7 30 5 31 2 (6 games)
Hernandez 31 16 4 30 0
Kazmir 26 21 14 30 1
R Johnson 51.3 41 11 50 7
Maroth 25.7 19 9 20 4
J Santanna 56 45 6 67 5 (8 games)
Silva 29 28 1 13 3
Young 32.3 22 4 32 3
Wells 40 43 1 27 2 (6 games)
Zito 28 14 10 23 2
also: Buehrle, Chen, Colon (twice), Kazmir (again), Lackey, Radke, Robertson, Santanna (again), Towers, Zito (again).
I think it goes without saying that even in this elite company, Hernandez's four games hold up very well among the most impressive streaks on this list. In fact the only streak that really looks uncannily similar (very high k's, very low hits and walks, no hrs allowed) is that of Eric Bedard earlier this season, and still with a nifty 3.12 season era.
Now, remembering that the above stats don't necessarily say anything about earned runs allowed during the streak let alone for the season, following is a complete list of the season eras for the pitchers on the list of having 4 or more dominant starts in a row:
1.24, 2.41, 3.07, 3.l2, 3.35, 3.37, 3.46, 3.60 3.66, 3.75, 3.78, 3.88, 3.92, 3.94, 3.95, 4.00, 4.00, 4.02, 4.08, 4.12, 4.34, 4.62, 4.64, 4.70.
Median is 3.88, mean is 3.52.
The outliers on the high side are also revealing. Randy Johnson at 4.34, Chris Young at 4.62, Mike Maroth at 4.64 and David Wells at 4.70. Johnson and Wells are pitchers with enormous base skills who have had very difficult years. Chris Young has had a Jekyll and Hyde season where he pitched very well for a while and then fell off a cliff. Recently he has shown some signs of a comeback. We'll see. As for Maroth, he probably is the worst pitcher on the list and is a case of just barely fitting into the criteria, 4 hrs allowed in 25 2/3 innings and a barely 2/1 k/bb rate even during the streak. Not really comparable to Felix's run.
Also interesting is a list of pitchers who have pitched at least as much as Felix with at least a 6.00 k/9 (Felix is over 9), at least a 2.00 k/bb (Felix is at 7.50), and at least a 2.00 g/f ratio (Felix is at 3.57)
Hernandez, M. Miller, Halladay, Shields. Miller is the only name that might be less familiar, but he's certainly no slouch, having put up very nice numbers last year and this until going on the dl. The others are two of the best pitchers in the game, and Felix.
The conclusion is that even if we knew nothing about Felix other than these four starts, we would already be able to conclude, with reasonable certainty that he is one of the better pitchers in the AL. I guess we knew that already.
by BERSMR on Aug 22, 2005 2:45 PM EDT reply actions

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