Oakland A's Draft thread:
I am making this so we can discuss or picks so we dont have to be afraid of myself or ohad taking the wrong guy. and if someone takes our pick here we can do quick research and take a different kid being confident about...
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damn i might have to take the first pick
Ohad where are u?
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 2:13 PM EDT reply actions
damn i might have to take the first pick
Ohad where are u?
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 2:14 PM EDT reply actions
doing the draft and watching Matrix
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 2:18 PM EDT reply actions
i'm here i'm here
Thanks for making thisl
by ohad @ Minor League Ball on Jun 5, 2005 2:18 PM EDT reply actions
Crowe
by WillieMcGeeModelingCompany on Jun 5, 2005 2:20 PM EDT reply actions
Crowe plays in a hitters park
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 2:21 PM EDT reply actions
Crowe
by ohad @ Minor League Ball on Jun 5, 2005 2:21 PM EDT reply actions
Poor rockies
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 2:24 PM EDT reply actions
Wierd Al
by ohad @ Minor League Ball on Jun 5, 2005 2:26 PM EDT reply actions
ok
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Ohad--
by Alien @ Minor League Ball on Jun 5, 2005 2:28 PM EDT reply actions
I have no idea
by ohad @ Minor League Ball on Jun 5, 2005 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Ellsbury would be my pick but
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 2:32 PM EDT reply actions
I've got someone else
by ohad @ Minor League Ball on Jun 5, 2005 2:43 PM EDT reply actions
who is he? send a e-mail to
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
i know who he's thinking
by Alien @ Minor League Ball on Jun 5, 2005 2:52 PM EDT reply actions
Would you consider Jay Bruce?
taken by rangers just now
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Sh** crap!
Damn rangers took Jay Bruce.
by ohad @ Minor League Ball on Jun 5, 2005 2:56 PM EDT reply actions
I didn't think he'd fall
by Roscoe Parrish on Jun 5, 2005 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
bruce
by Alien @ Minor League Ball on Jun 5, 2005 2:56 PM EDT reply actions
Take Ellsbury Ohad plz
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 2:57 PM EDT reply actions
Oh god
by ohad @ Minor League Ball on Jun 5, 2005 2:57 PM EDT reply actions
who dammit
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
ELLSBURY
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 2:58 PM EDT reply actions
sorry man but he goes to my Uni
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 3:00 PM EDT reply actions
Dammit
by ohad @ Minor League Ball on Jun 5, 2005 3:00 PM EDT reply actions
DAMMIT
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 3:00 PM EDT reply actions
Eat crow
by WillieMcGeeModelingCompany on Jun 5, 2005 3:00 PM EDT reply actions
c'mon ohad!!!!!
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 3:02 PM EDT reply actions
Drennen and Crowe
by ohad @ Minor League Ball on Jun 5, 2005 3:03 PM EDT reply actions
Good Choice
by Roscoe Parrish on Jun 5, 2005 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
lmao
by ohad @ Minor League Ball on Jun 5, 2005 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
by Roscoe Parrish on Jun 5, 2005 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
who is Drennen?
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 3:03 PM EDT reply actions
Wow
by ESiegrist on Jun 5, 2005 3:03 PM EDT reply actions
well
by Alien @ Minor League Ball on Jun 5, 2005 3:03 PM EDT reply actions
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Well I guess I have to wait a couple years before I mock this pick
At least it's intriguing
by WillieMcGeeModelingCompany on Jun 5, 2005 3:05 PM EDT reply actions
Something about Crowe
Drennen: .500 92 51 46 10 3 15 46 12
Thats 15 homers, 46 rbi's, 12 steals, 500 average in 92 at bats and 51 runs.
by ohad @ Minor League Ball on Jun 5, 2005 3:06 PM EDT reply actions
Crowe is taken by Boston
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 3:07 PM EDT reply actions
Look like alot of interesting players
who shall we pick next?
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 3:09 PM EDT reply actions
Wierd Al
by ohad @ Minor League Ball on Jun 5, 2005 3:09 PM EDT reply actions
send it by e-mail
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't htink
by ohad @ Minor League Ball on Jun 5, 2005 3:09 PM EDT reply actions
Good Man
yes lets hope
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Chicago screwed us
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 3:14 PM EDT reply actions
Marlins have definetly had a good draft so far
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 3:18 PM EDT reply actions
thats true what are our picks after 35?
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 3:24 PM EDT reply actions
Ohad r u taking #35?
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 3:28 PM EDT reply actions
We have Milwakees #2 and our #2
:) i know who ur thinkin
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Al
by ohad @ Minor League Ball on Jun 5, 2005 3:39 PM EDT reply actions
pennington was taken
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 3:40 PM EDT reply actions
he'll be there at 53
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
We'll see
by Roscoe Parrish on Jun 5, 2005 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
good pick ohad
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 3:41 PM EDT reply actions
Took Lowrie
by ohad @ Minor League Ball on Jun 5, 2005 3:42 PM EDT reply actions
Mayberry
by ohad @ Minor League Ball on Jun 5, 2005 3:42 PM EDT reply actions
His power potential is huge though
by Roscoe Parrish on Jun 5, 2005 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Power Potential huge?
by ohad @ Minor League Ball on Jun 5, 2005 3:46 PM EDT reply actions
Oh, Crap
by ohad @ Minor League Ball on Jun 5, 2005 3:47 PM EDT reply actions
Al
by ohad @ Minor League Ball on Jun 5, 2005 4:02 PM EDT reply actions
ok thx
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 4:03 PM EDT reply actions
ok thx
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 4:04 PM EDT reply actions
i might be here for 53
by ohad @ Minor League Ball on Jun 5, 2005 4:11 PM EDT reply actions
the e-mail got blocked
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 4:13 PM EDT reply actions
what do you mean
Here is what i wrote:
Late Round Picks.: Josh Wall, Anthony Varvaro,
If I'm not here for the 55, take Aaron Thompson. If he's not available take Bryan Morris. If he's not available take Craig Italiano. If he's not there, take Sean O-Sullivan. If he's not there, take Tyler Herren. If He's not there, it's up to you.
Here are two useful links:
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/2005draft/top200h.html
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/2005draft/2005draftorder.html
Try and pick Brian Matusz in our second of 2 second round picks. and Mike Durant in the fifth. The third round is up to you, take the best player available I would suggest.
by ohad @ Minor League Ball on Jun 5, 2005 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
the e-mail got blocked
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 4:13 PM EDT reply actions
If Aaron Thompson isn't there
by ohad @ Minor League Ball on Jun 5, 2005 4:15 PM EDT reply actions
What's with all the HS pitchers?
by LizardKing51 @ Minor League Ball on Jun 5, 2005 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Ohad are you taking #53?
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 4:23 PM EDT reply actions
yes AL
by ohad @ Minor League Ball on Jun 5, 2005 4:25 PM EDT reply actions
Ohad are you taking #53?
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 4:25 PM EDT reply actions
stupid double-post its a curse!
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Wierd Al
by ohad @ Minor League Ball on Jun 5, 2005 4:27 PM EDT reply actions
Why are we taking so many High Schoolers?
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 4:28 PM EDT reply actions
I don't get our draft system
I'm trying not to hate on Ohad, but I think his picking system has gotten a little carried away with respect to the rest of the A's community.
by LizardKing51 @ Minor League Ball on Jun 5, 2005 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
well i wanted to see who we wanted to pick
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
2-3
by ohad @ Minor League Ball on Jun 5, 2005 4:30 PM EDT reply actions
Not a fan of HS picks
Weird Al its your pick i think
by LizardKing51 @ Minor League Ball on Jun 5, 2005 5:00 PM EDT reply actions
dammit brain freeze
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 5:00 PM EDT reply actions
whens are next pick?
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 5:02 PM EDT reply actions
i believe it is pick 101
by LizardKing51 @ Minor League Ball on Jun 5, 2005 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
ok thx
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 5:12 PM EDT reply actions
dammit Cards take Garza
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 5:19 PM EDT reply actions
There was no way Garza would fall to us
From Sickels' analysis, "Matt Green, RHP, University of Louisiana-Monroe 2.65 ERA, 10-2 record, with 141/26 K/BB ratio in 105 innings. All numbers better than average, with particularly impressive K/IP ratio. Excellent stats, and he has a good arm to boot, with a 91-95 MPH fastball, a good breaking ball, and sharp command. His biggest problem is having pitched for a smaller school, rather than one of the major baseball powers. 6-5, 210 pounds. Projection: people are talking about third round, but he could go higher than that to a college-oriented club.
by LizardKing51 @ Minor League Ball on Jun 5, 2005 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
you jinxed him Blue Jays have him
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
This is crazy
2004 - round 14 through 18 picks (first one taken in round 4)
2003 - round 22 through 24 picks (first one wasn't taken until round 19)
2002 - round 20 through 26 picks (first one wasn't taken until round 18) Trevor Crowe was the 20th round selection
2001 - round 18 through 20 picks (first one taken was Bonderman in round 1)
by LizardKing51 @ Minor League Ball on Jun 5, 2005 5:23 PM EDT reply actions
I hate HS kids but....
NO MORE HIGH SCHOOLERS!!!
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 5:24 PM EDT reply actions
oooohhhhhhh I found a good one
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 5:31 PM EDT reply actions
help Cincinatti took him
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 5:56 PM EDT reply actions
I'd say
or
Ryan Mullins LHP Vanderbilt
by LizardKing51 @ Minor League Ball on Jun 5, 2005 5:58 PM EDT reply actions
I took David Cooper of
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Another HS kid
so good pick by me?
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
HS picks a gamble
Next round
by LizardKing51 @ Minor League Ball on Jun 5, 2005 6:29 PM EDT reply actions
How about Milton Loo 3b from Hawaii
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
or how about Mike Durant 1b Berkely HS
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Giants took Varvaro. HAAHAAAHAAAAHaa
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 7:05 PM EDT reply actions
Better than you HS picks!!!
Sleeper Pick
.335/.470/.614, 13 HR, 34/41 BB/K in 197 AB
by ESiegrist on Jun 5, 2005 7:27 PM EDT reply actions
Beane has been fired from the A's
by LizardKing51 @ Minor League Ball on Jun 5, 2005 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm taking another college player
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Powers
by Alien @ Minor League Ball on Jun 5, 2005 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah I was stuck between him and Loo a five-tooler
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 7:53 PM EDT reply actions
Why thank you
by Weird Al on Jun 5, 2005 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Lizard King
Drennen: Rather have him then Trevor Crowe. Crowe is Danny Putnam with a l ittle better stats.
Lowrie: No need to explain
Thompson: BA said he is the most polished lefty out of high school, and Jacob Marcuaex who i realloy wanted was already gone. I wasn't planning on taking thompson, bujt at that point there weren't many good college pitchers.
Matusz: Yes, he's another high school. But our system is short on lefties, and he's a "classic projectability" pick with great numbers.
Durant: He ha s great power potential and goes to Berkeley High, my home town high school. So i really wanted him.
Powers and Cooper were Al's picks, but they were good picks.
Realistically, there were no good college pitchers left to take in the second round.
by ohad @ Minor League Ball on Jun 6, 2005 6:57 AM EDT reply actions
According to BA!
Even then: Iorg, Headley and Slowey went within 10 picks of where you took Thompson; Maxwell, Mason and Garza went within 10 picks of Matusz; etc. etc. There were guys, like Cameron Blair and Sergio Pedroza (who I pitched to you guys for your last pick), who you probably didn't even have on your board at all, ohad, who would have been more 'classic' A's picks.
Will Carroll's point was spot-on -- Baseball America has something of a monopoly on amateur baseball knowledge, for better or for worse.
Realistically, I could see Drennan as a Beane pick, but not where they'd have to take him to get him. I could also see Matusz, moreso than Thompson, being a Beane pick -- but again, he should go higher than Oakland would be willing to take him.
I'm not saying you did a bad job drafting -- we weren't supposed to be "following a script", after all (says the guy who drafted Clement over Zimmerman), just doing our own thing. But don't defend yourself by saying something like "there were no good college players left in the second round." That's just silly.
by ESiegrist on Jun 6, 2005 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I said college pitchers
I just didn't want Garza.
Cmon man, realistically there weren't any other college pitchers worth taking with the 53 pick, and i wanted a pitcher. Maybe 1. Realistically, there were only 2-3 worth taking in the second round period with how the draft was going. Jacob Marceuax and Lance Broadway, my two main pitchers before the draft were WAY gone.
by ohad @ Minor League Ball on Jun 6, 2005 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
You're Missing My Point
by ESiegrist on Jun 6, 2005 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
So there were two college pitchers
I chose to take Thompson, i see nothing wrong with that. Because in my opinion, the A's are missing high upside lefty "projects" that will take more than a year and a half to get to the majors.
by ohad @ Minor League Ball on Jun 6, 2005 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll Take a Look
There is nothing wrong with taking Thompson. I had the other guys ahead of him because my personal preference was, if I was going to take a polished pitcher without much projectability, I wanted him to be tested against higher competition -- and even then, I liked Matusz in the 'polished HS lefty' category better than Thompson.
I'm just saying, stop trying to have it both ways -- you made a conscious decision in the draft to ignore the 'Beane woulda taken all college guys with great K/BB rates!' line of thinking. Why change your tune now? Say you picked Thompson because you liked Thompson, as you just did, not because you "couldn't" pick someone more Beane-y.
by ESiegrist on Jun 6, 2005 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I couldn't
by ohad @ Minor League Ball on Jun 6, 2005 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
drennen over crowe
by natsfan2005 @ Minor League Ball on Jun 6, 2005 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Asking with no prejudice.
Re: novaoakland
by natsfan2005 @ Minor League Ball on Jun 6, 2005 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
DrennEn
I take Drennen over Crowe because he has more development ahead for that power, and we won't be needing any outfielders for another 2-3 years. Kotsay and Swisher are here to stay, Ethier is almost there and Putnam will be there in two years as well. I like Drennen to take over after Kotsays (hopefully) contract extension.
by ohad @ Minor League Ball on Jun 6, 2005 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I get the impression John did not like A's draft!!
Good resume builder!!!
I wasn't disturbed by your picks
Regarding Crowe Drennan:
Crowe is not like Putnam, he is most like Johnny Damon.
Drennan is the guy who is more like a Putnam or Brian Giles.
I misread your Putnam comparison yesterday, because I knew Drennan was the Putnam like person. You actually made a case against drafting Crowe using Putnam as the reasoning, when in actuality the guy you chose is much more like him. That is some crazy irony that I wish I caught on to yesterday.
I am amazed you feel its harder to find a good college pitcher after around pick 50 than it is to find a good high school pitcher. I entirely dissagree with that assertion. I think it is a far bigger crapshoot to go with the high school guy. There were plenty of higher rated college pitchers available at your selection. You chose to ignore them. According to the BA top 200, quite a few choices were made where we took a player rated far lower than our draft spot. That makes it almost mathematically impossible for there to be no higher rated college players available.
I was actually very dissapointed with the choices, apart from Lowrie, and the way you handled the supposed democratic forum you were in charge of moderating, not deciding what to do for yourself.
by LizardKing51 @ Minor League Ball on Jun 6, 2005 5:21 PM EDT reply actions
re: disturbed
I wasn't disturbed by your picks as much as that you made all the choices ahead of time and it wasn't a community project at all. There are many A's fans interested in the minor league/draft aspect and it was pretty obvious from the beginning that our input wasn't going to affect the choices made.
agreed. although I don't think a 12 year old was ever going to run the draft in anyway other than on his terms.
by TINSTAAPP on Jun 7, 2005 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
My Mock Draft Choices
- Trevor Crove OF
- Jed Lowrie 2B
- Travis Buck OF
- Matt Garza RHP
- Ryan Mullins LHP
- Josh Geer RHP
- Michael Nix RHP or Jordan Brown 1B
I really liked the Blue Jays mock draft.
by LizardKing51 @ Minor League Ball on Jun 7, 2005 3:21 AM EDT reply actions
mock
Lizard King
by ohad @ Minor League Ball on Jun 7, 2005 11:18 AM EDT reply actions
I gave input
"If I'm not here for the 55, take Aaron Thompson. If he's not available take Bryan Morris. If he's not available take Craig Italiano. If he's not there, take Sean O-Sullivan. If he's not there, take Tyler Herren. If He's not there, it's up to you."
and
"Try and pick Brian Matusz in our second of 2 second round picks. and Mike Durant in the fifth. The third round is up to you, take the best player available I would suggest."
by LizardKing51 @ Minor League Ball on Jun 7, 2005 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Thast because
by ohad @ Minor League Ball on Jun 7, 2005 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I said that stuff
by ohad @ Minor League Ball on Jun 7, 2005 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
You said that
I don't hate you and I'm not holding any long term grudges or anything, I just wish things had gone differently.
by LizardKing51 @ Minor League Ball on Jun 7, 2005 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Your right
by ohad @ Minor League Ball on Jun 7, 2005 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
There is no doubt in my mind
Trust me, I want this thread to end amicably.
by LizardKing51 @ Minor League Ball on Jun 7, 2005 1:53 PM EDT reply actions
not trying to rub anything in
by ohad @ Minor League Ball on Jun 7, 2005 3:34 PM EDT reply actions
Your not rubbing anything as far as I see
Trevor Crove OF gone before our pick at 21
Travis Buck OF we took him at 36 and i would have gotten him at 53
Matt Garza RHP taken at 25 I would have taken him at 69
Ryan Mullins LHP went within 3 picks of where I suggested in the 3rd round
Josh Geer RHP went at 98 and I would have taken him at 131
Matt Green RHP went at 49 I suggested him at 69 and 3rd if he would have fallen.
Slowey went at 73 and I put him in my initial mock draft at 101 (rated 107 by BA)
Jordan Brown went 124 and I put him at a possibility at 161
Nix and Slayden are the only guys left undrafted I mentioned and they were mentioned as 4/5th type guys
Your guy Aaron Thompson was a good find, and we agree on Lowrie and were both interested in Ellsbury.
Bryan Morris you suggested at 53 went at 88
Craig Italiano you suggested at 53 and we took him (good)
Sean O-Sullivan you suggested at 53 and he went at 103
Tyler Herren you suggested at 53 and he went at 46
Brian Matusz you took at 69 and he still hasn't been drafted
Mike Durant you took at 131 and he went at 127
Josh Wall still undrafted
Anthony Varvaro still undrafted
The record of my choices far exceeds yours, so your rubbing doesn't bother me. I firmly believe my draft would far exceed yours in all aspects.
by LizardKing51 @ Minor League Ball on Jun 7, 2005 4:30 PM EDT reply actions
To Finish this comparison
Josh Wall 74 (missed seeing him being drafted) but you mentioned him as a late round possibility in the mock and he went 56 in the mock so your idea became moot
Anthony Varvaro 353 Tommy John
Mine
Nix 347 (Can't believe he dropped this far)
Slayden 247 injury history
by LizardKing51 @ Minor League Ball on Jun 7, 2005 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
nice post LK51
by natsfan2005 @ Minor League Ball on Jun 7, 2005 5:20 PM EDT reply actions

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