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Pence and Patton

Hunter Pence and Troy Patton

Houston fans are salivating over the spring exploits of prospects Hunter Pence and Troy Patton, and I have received numerous requests recently for my view of this interesting pair. So here goes.


Astros prospect Hunter Pence. Note unusual batting stance

Hunter Pence was drafted in the second round last year from the University of Texas-Arlington. He had won the Southland Conference Player of the Year award after hitting.395 with 8 homers and 10 steals, but most teams did not see him as a second-round pick (projecting him in the 3-6 range). He has a somewhat strange-looking batting stance, widespread for a big guy, but he has a professional hitting approach, has good plate discipline, power to all fields, and has hit at every level. A 6-4, 215 pound right-handed hitter, he runs well for his size and has a good level of athleticism. He is tearing up the Sally League right now: .345/.421/.715 in 61 games, with 23 home runs already, 30 walks, 45 strikeouts in 235 at-bats. There are no holes in his numbers right now, and frankly he is too good for this level of competition.

An experienced college player tearing up the Sally League is not unusual, and I am unsure exactly how good Pence can be. If I were the Astros, I think I would bump him up to Double-A at the end of June. Let's find out if he can maintain this against better pitching. I gave him a Grade B in the book this year, and I will stick with that until we get some Double-A data.


Astros prospect Troy Patton. Note "quiet intensity" look on his face.

The Astros drafted Patton in the ninth round in 2004, out of high school in Magnolia, Texas. He could have gone as high as the third round, were it not for his possession of a University of Texas scholarship, which led to doubts about his signability. The Astros gave him third-round money to sign, and he did, and they now have possibly the best overall LHP in the low minors. Patton is 4-1, 1.57 in 13 starts, with an 84/18 K/BB ratio in 69 innings, 50 hits allowed. K/BB, K/IP, and H/IP are all excellent, and he's given up just 2 homers this year. He has a low-90s fastball, and has made big strides this spring with his changeup and curveball. He also has a deceptive delivery. The main concern for Patton is size and durability, as he is a smallish guy at 6-1, 185 (perhaps shorter in reality). But so far it has not been a problem.

I gave him a Grade C+ in my book (a high grade for a ninth-round high school pick), and based on what he has done this year that should move up to B+. The standard young pitcher health caveat is my only real concern at this stage.


General George S. Patton. Note ivory-handle revolver.

An unquestionably brilliant general, possibly the best combat commander in American history in terms of driving his men to victory, but a first-class SOB. As he would probably admit himself. Patton and Omar Bradley serving under the supreme command of Eisenhower was a great combination, but Patton would not have been as effective an overall commander as Ike was.

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He's 6'0". He also had some arm problems in high school. Nothing major though.

by Ienpw on Jun 18, 2005 6:06 PM EDT   0 recs

he wouldn't have been as effective as ike
as supreme commander, but he would've been far more effective than monty as the leader of the european invasion. monty was a pathetic excuse for a general.

by GhostsInTheEyes on Jun 18, 2005 8:36 PM EDT   0 recs

I love the quote...
Note "quiet intensity" look on his face. I always wondered how the scouts tell what a "good face" is. Like when I try "quiet intensity" it looks like "squinting."

As for Monty being a pathetic excuse for a general, I take it you refer to Monty Burns.

by Salemicus on Jun 18, 2005 11:20 PM EDT   0 recs

He would have been more effective but for Ike
Remember, Patton probably would have blazed into Berlin and ended the war a few months earlier if Ike hadn't ordered him to hold his position.

Solidify your flanks : Ill-Advised Military Tactic :: Sacrifice Bunt : Ill-Advised Baseball Tactic

by Cabbage on Jun 19, 2005 2:14 PM EDT   0 recs

politics
There were political factors there that Ike had to contend with that Patton did not...like trying to avoid starting the Cold War six months early.

I personally blame this more on Stalin than Ike.

by John Sickels on Jun 19, 2005 11:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

A valid point
Although futhur speculation would get us into the kind of counterfactual debates you talked about in today's post.

The trade off was between starting the US/USSR standoff happening earlier in exchange for a more eastern Iron Curtain.

Of course, even if Patton had secured most of Germany before the Red Army, FDR & Truman would have probably given it to Stalin anyway.

by Cabbage on Jun 20, 2005 6:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

it blows my mind
the sheer number of lives that could've been saved had the men in power, be it ike or the brits, surrendered a shred of their pride so patton could lead the assault on europe.

by GhostsInTheEyes on Jun 19, 2005 6:46 PM EDT   0 recs

Pearl?
I thought it was an ivory handled revolver, not a pearl handled revolver as stated in the caption.  

by Blueblazer on Jun 19, 2005 10:08 PM EDT   0 recs

ivory
You're right, it was ivory. Will fix.

by John Sickels on Jun 19, 2005 11:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Patton- the kid not the dead general
I watched him pitch in Greeneville last year.  He is a bulldog on the mound.  He can be an emotional pitcher in that he will react to an error but it seems to increase his determination to get the next guy.  He also reacts to being taken out due to a pitch count but he has gotten better about that with  a year under his belt.  

I would like to see him be more of a Maddox type of pitcher and depend less on the strike out.  

Thanks for your take John.  Do you see Patton moving up any this year?

by Duman on Jun 19, 2005 10:37 PM EDT   0 recs

patton
Patton moving up? Maybe but given his age I wouldn't be surprised if they just left him there, at least until mid-August.

by John Sickels on Jun 19, 2005 11:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Moving on up
Patton will move up to Salem after the SAL all star game. It was announced that he and 3 others (Zobrist , Ash & Wigdahl) will move up to Salem.  I suspect Pence will join them when he get's off the DL

by Duman on Jun 27, 2005 7:01 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Troy Patton
Patton won his fifth game Sunday, pitching six scoreless.  Even with his poor outing on the 14th, he has yielded runs in only 3 of his previous 42 innings.
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by rastronomicals on Jun 19, 2005 10:38 PM EDT   0 recs

Pence to join Patton in Salem
Hunter Pence got called up to Salem last night.

by Duman on Jul 26, 2005 10:12 AM EDT   0 recs

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