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Tony Pena, ex-Royals manager (Getty)

You're the GM!

You are the General Manager of the Kansas City Royals.

The big news here in Eastern Kansas this morning is the surprise resignation of Tony Pena as Royals manager. The team is off to another awful start, and Tony "couldn't take it anymore." So let's assume you are Allard Baird. How do you turn this around?

Some points to consider:

**There is some actual talent on this club, notably on the pitching staff. Zack Greinke, Denny Bautista, Andrew Sisco, Ambiorix Burgos, Kyle Snyder, Runelvys Hernandez, Leo Nunez, there is the foundation of a good pitching staff here. New pitching coach Guy Hansen seems to be doing a decent job. The worst pitchers have been the veterans like Anderson and Lima, and none of them will be around when the team is ready to compete.
Time and experience will help here, but what other ways can the pitching situation be improved?

**The big problem this year has been incredibly dismal hitting, with everyone but Mike Sweeney performing under expectation. On the farm, Billy Butler and Justin Huber look like premium hitters, and Huber could be ready later this year. But where do they play given the clogging on the first base end of the defensive spectrum?

**Who do you hire as the new manager? Frank White seems the obvious candidate from within the organization, but perhaps a fresh face would help. Larry Bowa has been mentioned.

**Who do you put on the trade block? Will Jeremy Affeldt ever be healthy enough to pitch, or should you trade him?

**How much longer do you stick with Emil Brown? Would you slot Matt Diaz into the outfield somehow? How do you solve the need for another young power bat in the outfield?

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Resign
Go some place where the team has a chance of ever developing a team that can win.  I hear Colorado is nice.

Seriously, the ownership situation in KC and TB are the biggest jokes in pro sports.  If the ownership in those 2 cities would use the money they get from revenue-sharing, there's no reason whatsoever that they would be This bad for This long.  You can't expect your biggest offseason move of Terrence Long for Ryan Bukvich to push you into contention.  You have to spend SOME sort of money.

Bud Selig needs to step in as Commissioner (not as friend-of-the-owners, but Commissioner of Baseball) and find a way to force those owners to spend the money or sell their teams.  I'd be completely in favor of putting a salary floor into the new CBA (even in the absence of a salary cap) to prove to the players that the owner is going to do what he can to make every team in the league competitive.

by lenred on May 11, 2005 11:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re; Resign
Funny how the problem is the small market teams, and not the absurd spending in the New England area.

If the commissioner needs to step in anywhere, it's up there.

Brian

by bfos7215 on May 11, 2005 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about the other big spenders?
Why do you single out the Sox?  What about the Yankees, Mets, and Angles?

by RandyKutcherHair on May 11, 2005 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree
and not just as a Sox fan...I'm tired of people singling out the Sox when the Mets, Angels, Dodgers, Mariners, and a few others all push $100 million or more consistently.

The problem is the pocketing of revenue sharing...the Devil Rays are talking about shopping Aubrey Huff, instead of locking him up with the free money they get for basically sucking. What's the point of revenue sharing when we can't trust people to use it for what it is for. Atleast the Sox and other teams spending use the resouces they have for what they are for; why should we yell at them for doing so?

by Marc Normandin on May 11, 2005 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I will never...
blame a team for investing profits into putting a better product on the field.  Whether it's the Yankees, Sox, Dodgers, Angeles, Cubs, or anyone else.

The problem, as you pointed out, is that the teams receiving free money don't appear to be using it.  Where are the Royals spending their money.  I can understand them trading Sweeney but an offseason of adding Terrance Long and exercising a team option on Matt Stairs is not exactly what Bud had in mind.  But at least Harold Reynolds says every week that revenue sharing works.

by count sutton on May 11, 2005 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me neither
I don't blame any team for spending any kind of money.

I also don't blame the Royals for not wasting money on a FA with the revenue sharing money because they had no chance to compete this year, even with a signing.

The Yankees being able to spend over $200 million on salary is absurd.  There's where baseball needs to step in.  The Glass' of baseball don't have those kinds of pocket books.

Brian

by bfos7215 on May 11, 2005 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hapless small market teams
Not wasting money on a team with no chance??  Didn't Detroit do Exactly that the past 2 seasons??  They had the worst record in baseball history 2 years ago and spent money to bring in players that were somewhat talented but mostly looking to cash in.  Pudge, White, Guillen, Maggs, Percival, etc.  Now, they aren't the best players in the world but it's put them back to quasi-respectability.  It also proves that if you spend, you can have a decent team.  

If you think the Royals can't do exactly that and because they happen to play the same sport as the Yankees, you're fooling nobody but yourself.  I don't agree with or like what Steinbrenner has done, but he's playing within the rules.  

I can understand how you would become exasperated if you were in a bidding war with the Yanks over a player, but to simply lie back and say that because you own a team in the same sport as the Boss and accept defeat for a full decade is a situation that NEEDS to be resolved by the commissioner.

by lenred on May 11, 2005 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's put a little more thought into it
I'm not saying the Royals can never compete.  However, with their team as young as it is, even with a FA signing, they weren't going to compete, this year.

Second, I pray that the Royals never follow in the stupidity of the Tigers footsteps.  The Tigers have overpaid, and WAY overpaid, for FA's the past two years, and they are still unable to play .500 ball.  They are a great example of what not to do, and how a shot of money, as many of you suggest, won't cure a team.  It's a great example of why the problem isn't with the small market teams, but rather with the splurging of the Yanks and Sox.

Brian

by bfos7215 on May 11, 2005 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's stupid
If I am the GM of the Royals (or any team for that matter) I'm not interested in being quasi-respectable.  The goal is to be a winning team.  Spending ungodly amounts of money to sign players who are on the decline is counter-productive.  If Detroit signed those players when they were one or two players away from contention, it'd be one thing, but they didn't.  I'm glad the Royals didn't waste their money on a similar venture.  If in two years the Royals are close to competing and still don't sign one or two guys to complete the roster, then you can be upset.

by twill on May 11, 2005 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least Tampa's got an excuse.
They DID sign Carl Crawford long-term.  Although maybe they figure they can get more for Huff than he'd be worth with the team?

I'm all for a salary floor too.  I wouldn't say non-competitive teams are THE problem, but they're certainly A problem.

by drjayphd on May 11, 2005 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

pocket cash
I would also argue with teams not spending free money. Ben Sheets, Carl Crawford, and Johan Santana are examples of the good things about revenue sharing via the luxury tax or otherwise. I would bring in Jerry Manuel if I were the Royals as he'd be patient with this young team. I would also try to ship Mike Sweeney to the Red Sox before too long as his next injury is around the corner. They are getting to the point that Detroit is where they will have to overpay for free agents so they need to stop taking sinable guys in the draft and not blow the second overall pick. They must come away with Upton or Gordon in my opinion.

by rickieweekshof2028 on May 11, 2005 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

manager
I thought Pena was the right choice for manager.

The Royals could probably also steel some young talent from the Mets again (Huber) for Affeldt.

"A hot dog at the ball park is better than steak at the Ritz." ~Humphrey Bogart

by mrmetaa on May 11, 2005 12:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

OF problem
Ricky Henderson may be better than what they have currently (except DeJesus), even if Ricky is old enough to be the father of half the players on the active roster.
"A hot dog at the ball park is better than steak at the Ritz." ~Humphrey Bogart

by mrmetaa on May 11, 2005 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Big mistake...
Counting Kyle Snyder as "actual talent". I was watching the Blue Jays vs Royals game the other day (I started Towers in one of my roto leagues). You can't even understand the joy I felt when the Royals brought in Snyder with Towers having a 2-1 lead. Snyder appears to have mediocre (at best) stuff, and even worse command.

As for Leo Nunez, he looked pretty darn good. Throws 92-94 with a good looking strait change. He's also very young. The only thing I worry about is him blowing off the mound if the wind is more than 10 MPH. Listed at 6'1" 160lbs, I doubt he weighs that much soaking wet.

I would say for hitting, you've got to trade Mike Sweeney now, before he gets hurt again. Other than that, you've got to let Berroa, DeJesus, Gotay, Tehan, and the other young bats develop. Then once they figure out who the core players are, an effort has to be made to keep them.

by rwperu34 on May 11, 2005 12:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Berroa
peaked during his rookie of the year campaign, sad to say.

by Marc Normandin on May 11, 2005 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Berroa
I think berroa caused him to resign!
9th inning last night. Royals down by two, Berroa at second, no outs.
Sweeney hits a fly ball to centre that looks like it may drop in. Wells makes the catch and doubles berroa off of second. Horrible play.
Berroas run means nothing!

Next batter up singles. it would have been 1st and third with one out. As it is the next batter pops up to end the game.

Pena was fuming after Berroa got doubled off, so I blame this all on him :)

Its too bad, to go from manager of the year to this.

by spepin on May 11, 2005 12:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Royals GM
With the manager deal, Frank White sounds good.  I would never hire Mount Bowa for this team.

They have a good young core of players: Grienke, Hernandez, Bautista, Dejesus, and John Buck.  I try to sign Greinke and Dejesus to deals that will extend them through their arbitration years.

I would release Emil Brown.  I think it's a joke that a 30 year old journeyman wins a starting job based on a strong spring.  He has real track record of success.  Matt Diaz earns a shot.  His K/BB scares me a little, but he's the one guy who might actually produce the way a corner outfielder should.  Diaz is 27 and has at least one good AAA season under his belt.  I'd give him a shot over guys like Aaron Guiel.

Guys on the trading block are: Jeremy Affeldt, Angel Berroa, Matt Stairs, and Mike Sweeney.

  1. Affeldt - Somebody will want relief help, and whether he's a closer or a LOOGY, Affeldt will have value.
  2. Berroa - He is coming up on arbitration and has not learned how to hit.  The rookie season was an abberation based on luck.
  3. Stairs - Pray that someone will want a left handed bat at the deadline.
  4. Sweeney - Somebody will want his bat. I am just speculating but the Dodgers, Yankees, Red Sox, Mets, and Giants may look for an upgrade (the Angels are not smart enough to sit Erstad not matter what).
  5. Lima and Anderson - Just floating the names out there, not that anyone wants them.
Not all these deals can be made, obviously.  But I would float their names out there.

The Royals don't have many prospects that are MLB ready or will be soon.  Butler and Huber (who I would leave at 3B and 1B, respectively) are in High A and won't be ready for AAA until '06.  Hopefully, the trading of Affeldt and Sweeney can bring in good talent.

I would give Kyle Snyder a chance in the rotation.  I think he can do better than Lima or Anderson.  That would give 4 young starters to keep as a decent staff for the AL Central.  The Royals need to take the money saved from dealing Sweeney and SPEND!  Find some good FA and make a couple offers.  They will need a 1B and corner OF help.

As far as the draft, do not worry a ton about signability issues.  This is how the Royals ended up with Lubanski and not Granderson, who signed for similar money.  Draft the best player available.  For shorter development time, perhaps a college player for the first couple rounds could make sense here.  The Royals do some international scouting, but since Beltran, I can't seem to find any real good signings.  Step up scouting in the Dominican and South America.

I don't want to go too long so I'll stop now.  These are my basic thoughts though.

by count sutton on May 11, 2005 12:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Frank White
Maybe Frank White can teach them the fundamentals of defense and you know, things major league teams are capable of.

by Marc Normandin on May 11, 2005 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree
that Frank White may not exceptional, but I think - as a former Royal - he will be patient.  And these players, as evidenced by the way they play sometimes, need someone who can be willing to teach the game.

As a Dodger fan, I don't have a fond memory of Davey Johnson.

by count sutton on May 11, 2005 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

get your facts straight.....
Butler is the only one in High Desert.....Huber is in AA and is about to be promoted. Sweeney will be dealt to the Dodgers by the deadline, more than likely.......Sweeney is unconcious right now but it is still too early to trade him.
Emil Brown is a AAAA player, he needs to be gone. Restovich should be picked up on waivers, what do we have to lose? We need/will trade both lima and anderson by the deadline, when anderson is healthy, he's been decent if not good at times this year.
Cheers.

by royalslfr on May 11, 2005 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My Mistake
I was looking at the wrong line on my bookmarked players (Butler and Huber are next to each other and I just read the same line on accident).  He may be the '06 1B by default as Harvey and C-Pick are not good options.

Again, my mistake.

by count sutton on May 11, 2005 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hee Seop Choi...
may beg to differ about Sweeney coming to LA.  He's on fire as much as Sween-Dog at about 1/20th the cost.

by So Cal Bob on May 11, 2005 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sweeney to LA
DePo likes to think ahead.  If Sweeney comes to LA, it means the he'll be shipping Chop somewhere, which I don't see happening.  I have read the Sweeney to LA rumor (CBS, I think) but I don't think it will happen either.  The Polanco+Howard for Sanchez+LaRoche deal is more likely.

by count sutton on May 11, 2005 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

huber
if i remeber correctly huber is at AA.

by DavidWrightismyGod on May 11, 2005 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

2006 Royals
2006 - This team needs lots of work.
C: Buck
1B: Sweeney
2B: Gotay
3B: Teahen
SS: Berroa
CF: DeJesus
RF: J. Gerut (for Affeldt)
LF: Rondell White? (A decent veteran who might be easy to acquire.[Snyder & Harvey or Pickering?])
DH: Huber
SP: Bautista, Hernandez, Wood, Greinke, & S. Mitre (for MMM)
RP: Burgos, Braun, Nunez
Cl: Sisco
Manager: Joe Girardi - Get him before someone else does.

by AdRoK on May 11, 2005 12:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hmm
Is Sweeney really going to be back next year?  

And pardon me for asking, but why Joe Girardi.  Granted, he'll be a good manager someday, but shouldn't they get someone more experienced?

Actually I don't think this team is that bad.  They're young enough that they could do essentially what the Tigers are doing now.  Of course, the owners aren't helping by signing people like Lima . . .

by sasquatch83 on May 11, 2005 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Davey Johnson
Get Davey Johnson to manage before Tampa can get him to replace Lou Piniella. He's alot smarter than anyone else you can find out there, and he might be up for the challenge if someone offers it to him.

by Marc Normandin on May 11, 2005 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Royals Manager
I heard Allard Baird on the radio and while he was being polite to everyone and refused to mention names, Baird did say that this manager needs to be more of a tactition than Pena.  Baird added that having MLB experience is going to be a huge determining factor in his decision because he wants this team to compete in a few years and he wants this manager to be the guy to bring the team to that level.

That being said, I think was can cross Frank White and George Brett off the list.  I still someone better than Mount Bowa can found.  I think you may be correct that Davey Johnson could end up being the best choice.

by count sutton on May 12, 2005 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Hmm
I don't think Sweeney will be back.  If he stays healthy, he's as good as gone.

I would like to see the Royals get someone who was a Royal to manage.  It may sound strange but that might actually get some people to the ballpark.  We are talking about the team that turned down Buck Showalter for Pena, so who knows which way they will go.

Not only did they sign Lima, but the ran to the media to say they signed a staff "ace" and started him on opening day.

by count sutton on May 11, 2005 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mike Sweeney to Bob Brenly
Unlike a toolsy system like TB, KC is more geared towards the athlete, obviously to much less success.

KC must decide to what to do with Sweeney.  If he is willing to be dealt, i think KC's got to move him (I believe he has a limited no trade correct?).  He just eats up budget and is otherwise trying to lead a team that isn't ready to do much of anything right now.  Especially considering he's been hot the last couple of weeks and he seems to be healthy for now.  Hopefully he can keep this up for the next 6 weeks or so when teams will really start looking for some help via trade.  This is somewhat similar to Toronto last year with Carlos Delgado.  He was eating up a huge percentage of our budget on a team that wasn't in a position to benefit fully from his presence.  Delgado was captain and had the respect of everyone in the clubhouse, but it just didn't make sense anymore.  Unfortunately he vetoed any deal.  I realize it's that much more difficult to move Sweeney because there isn't a Vernon Wells ready to step up, but having an eight figure contract on a low budget team really ties things up, no matter how beloved the player is.  

Give Ken Harvey an honest try at first and Huber isn't far.  Gotay/Murphy/Blanco/Berroa are all reasonable candidates to last up the middle though i'm unsure about their long term potential for success.  Teahen, Buck and Dejesus should be seen as permanent fixtures until they prove over time they aren't.  The corner OF spots are problematic, but they are the easiest stopgaps to fill and this team is far from a quick fix.  That's how guys like Emil Brown and Terrence Long get playing time.  With that said, i don't understand why Matt Diaz isn't getting an honest opportunity.  His future has to be seen as brighter than a guy like Emil Brown.  With that said, to help the young pitching staff, defense should be more of a consideration here than for many other teams, which might explain why Brown is playing in the first place.

Attrition is obviously high with pitchers, but KC has a nice collection of arms.  While Anderson and Lima haven't done as well as hoped, i think veteran presence is most important on a pitching staff.  If someone happens to come calling for them come the deadline, you listen, particularly if someone is ready to move up to the show to take their place.  Otherwise, you keep vets around to keep the young pitchers sane, especially the ones who are like by Greinke.  

Affeldt?  Low budget teams can't get away with hanging on to established players of questionable long term health, especially relievers.  That's for the high-budget moderately successful teams to endure.  It is often shortsighted, but you've got to worry about your present day product while keeping your future in mind.  

Unfotunately, the team is short on high ceiling position players who are ready to step up in the near future, so the light is a mere dot at the end of the tunnel, making their decision on a manager that much more crucial.

I really feel for Tony Pena.  I caught the last half of the game last night.  In the 9th, down 3-1 with less than two outs, Berroa was on second base.  the ball was hit shallow into CF and Berroa started for third.  I guess he thought it was dropping in, but Vernon Wells came in to make a fairly easy running catch and proceeded to double off Berroa at 2nd.  The camera immediately panned to Pena.  Anyone who saw that could see the helplessness and frustration in his face.

i don't really know what Frank White would bring as a manager, but as George Brett said, it would be very difficult to fire him with his history with the club.  It would almost be like saying he had 5 or 6 years to right the ship as Brett said.  That kind of stability wouldn't be that bad i suppose, but White is a question mark having never managed at the big league level.  I'm not sure Bowa's volatility would be a good fit.  Buck Martinez might be a candidate, again being an ex-Royal, but he didn't have a good experience his first time around in Toronto and i didn't think he was particularly good anyway.  Larry Dierker would be interesting if he wanted it.  I think KC should give serious consideration to a guy like Bob Brenly.

ok! ok! Blue Jays! Blue Jays! Lets! Play! Ball!

by BJ Birdie on May 11, 2005 12:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pitching is the key
Pitching just like in the 80's will be the key to this small amrket team.Greinke,Sisco,Afeldt, and Hernandez provide of very competitive corps of talent. As the team matures so will it's team defense as well the team's success.
Here are some changes that I would do:
  1. Trade Sweeney while his market value is high for some more arms. Sweeney deserves to play on a contender and the Royals have at least 3-4 years to contend.Justin Huber should be ready to take his place by mid-season at the very latest.
  2. Draft Cameron Maybin in the up and coming draft.Maybin a five tool talent in centerfield will shift Dejesus to leftfield. The move will help the outfield defense plus Dejesus has a leftfielder's arm.
  3. Avoid drafting Alex Gordon(draft Maybin). The Royals already have a surplus of 1B/3B/DH types(Teahan,Butler,Harvey,Maier,and Huber). Drafting Gordon makes no sense.
  4. Draft college pitchers.

by slugggo on May 11, 2005 1:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The tough thing here...
is that you have to trade your only productive bat in Mike Sweeney, so you're going to get even worse before you get better.  But I'd trade Sweeney while he's healthy and hitting to a contender for offensive prospects (preferably outfielders).  Eventually Huber would take over for Sweeney, but with this team, what's the rush?  Affeldt would be a chip for me because it seems pointless to hope that he'll be healthy and effective enough to contribute to a winning Royals team.  I wonder if we could package them both to the Mets, who might want a bat and a reliever (Diaz? I'm assuming Milledge is untouchable, but with them Mets you never know)).

Then, I'd spend the rest of this year sorting through DeJesus, Gotay, Teahen etc. to see which of them deserves a contract to carry them through their arbitration years.  I've got some time to do this, but eventually it will be crucial to identify the pieces around which the team will be built, because otherwise my five-year plan will become a ten-year plan.

As for manager, I'd try and keep the "interim" tag on the guy for as long as possible because I have a hard time imagining any manager lasting from now until our first winning season.  Eventually, I want a guy with Pena's enthusiasm, a talent for developing players, and just pray that we get things turned around before he burns out too.

Lastly, I'd make Grienke the franchise and take good care of that arm, challenge Butler (but not rush him... again, what would be the point of that?) and try to draft the most advanced players I could-- no more Colt Griffins.  I would stick with a good mix of college and high school kids, but even with the preps, I'm looking for polish a la Grienke and Butler.  Preach patience throughout the organization... and to the fans.

"Well I believe in the soul..."

by D O on May 11, 2005 1:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

tony's hat
what's all that writing on his hat?

by chris p on May 11, 2005 1:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

oof
This is a lot tougher than Tampa, because your team lacks STARS.  Although you can theoretically win with a bunch of guys who are each a little above average, it's damn difficult.  How to get one?  Well, you can hope that a great player is caught in the free agent musical chairs game and ends up taking your money a la Pudge in Detroit.  Or, you can hope there's another Beltran-type franchise player hiding in your farm system.  Neither one is all that terribly likely.  Due to this problem, I don't think there's any way to get this team to win the division, but you can at least make it better, of course.

I'd stick with Gotay, I know the guy is playing godawful, but I have seen signs of him being a decent, Furcal-type hitter and you really have few other options.  I'd stick with Buck on much the same logic (decent track record, tough position to fill), and I'd also stick with Affeldt.  Affeldt should be limited to closing.  If he's healthy enough to do it, great.  If not, it's not the world's toughest position to fill, so you didn't lose as much as you would if you were counting on him in the rotation.  Of course, you have DeJesus in CF, which is nice.  I think you gotta play Matt Diaz and see what he is.  

You have to deal Sweeney, because you have very little other trade bait, and because ultimately, you want Butler and Huber at 1B/DH anyway.  You also deal Berroa too, because he is not the answer.  Probably you're looking to deal the more valuable one, Sweeney, for a SS.  (Hanley Ramirez?  Jhonny Peralta?  Kelly Johnson?)  And you're looking to deal Berroa for a Moneyball-type OF in a non-Moneyball-type organization, who can hit in the middle of your order, but whose owners would plausibly give him up for Angel Berroa.  (The ever-popular Jason Dubois?  Jeremy Hermida?  Conor Jackson?  Scott Hairston?)  I'm willing to improvise at one of the OF positions with either Diaz or some cheapo signing, but you need one more solid guy out there, I feel.

Unfortunately, you also need pitching and I don't know how you're going to get it; you simply lack the resources.  I think you gotta hope that, in between Greinke, Runelyvs, Bautista, and your various guys in the minors, you've got three or four good starters already there.  Other than that, just gotta stay on your toes and try to pick up "unusual" pitchers, and injury reclamations a la the Reds/Red Sox of a few years ago.  I think it can potentially at least be a good enough pitching staff, if you're lucky and if your lineup (Buck, Huber, Gotay, ? SS, Teahen, ? LF, DeJesus, ?/Diaz RF, Butler) develops towards the high end of its own potential.

by dcarrano on May 11, 2005 1:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

pie in the sky
i don't mean to sound all negative and stuff, but...

you can't just trade for guys like hanley ramirez and jeremy hermida. these are two of like the 15 best prospects in all of baseball. prospects that good NEVER get traded unless they can bring in superstars--which sweeney and berroa are not.

if the sox had a need at 1B/DH and sweeney were about 5 years younger, i could even see them doing that trade... maybe. but berroa for hermida is laughable. moneyball or no, everybody loves hermida; not only has he got great power and patience, but he's been touted since he was drafted as having the sweetest swing people have ever seen. it's ... beyond a stretch to think that florida would trade him for a failed shortstop prospect.

by jpahk on May 11, 2005 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see your point
First three guys I listed in exchange for Berroa may be stretches, though I think Hairston is reasonable; Clayton is playing terribly (not that Berroa isn't), and the D-Backs clearly think very little of Hairston.  

But to make up for overestimating Berroa's trade value, I think I underestimated Sweeney's.  Boston wouldn't WANT to be in a position where they have to give up Hanley for Sweeney, but if they get back into the race, Millar is still stinking and Sweeney is playing like an All-Star... they might do it.  And I would bet Atlanta would not only give Johnson, but one of Francouer or Langerhans.  They don't seem to value those guys much.  So I still think Sweeney + Berroa potentially = good SS + good OF for the future, though it may be Sweeney fetching both and Berroa fetching bupkis.

by dcarrano on May 11, 2005 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Francouer
Where do you get your info? The Braves think the world of Francouer.
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by natsfan2005 on May 12, 2005 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

just...
...because they signed Jordan and Mondesi!  I know they're not gonna be long-term fixtures, but c'mon, they could have given one of the minor league OFers a chance if they really believed in them.  They passed 'em both over twice, in favor of garbage.

But fine, go for Langerhans instead :) Anyway, I think you gotta trade Sweeney, given that 1) you have other 1B/DH options and 2) you have so, so little else to offer anyone.

by dcarrano on May 12, 2005 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Atlanta
I think (hope) that Atlanta believes they can get more out of Francouer.  They didn't pass him over so much as they think he's not ready.  He has a sweet swing, but ZERO plate discipline.  He could come up now and be Rocco Baldelli, or he could stay in the minors for another year and maybe learn to get on base 35% of the time without having to hit .340.  Kelly Johnson is a different story.  I'm not sure what they think of him, but they certainly don't think of him as an infielder.  Mondesi will hit the street sooner or later (again, hoping), and we'll see what they think of Johnson as an OF then.  He's probably tradeable, but I don't think they want or need Sweeney.  They like LaRoche, who probably can't shift to OF (slow legs and severe ADD), and Franco hasn't yet proven he's too old to be a 1B platoon partner (although he's finally working on it).

by creynolds on May 12, 2005 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Francoeur passed over?
Well, i disagree about Francoeur being passed over and thus not thought highly of. You just can't hand even a grade A prospect a starting position based on a solid A-ball season plus a cup of AA coffee in which he didn't draw a single walk. Francoeur has got some work to do. But the fact they opted for short term filler, to me, means that they regard Francoeur VERY highly as they don't want to block his future. But very clearly, the future was not now.
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by natsfan2005 on May 13, 2005 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

TB was fun...
Fixing KC is just depressing...
The one edge KC has over TB is the division they play in, the ALC is much weaker and has no big spenders.
Still, if ownership says "You've got 3 years" my first step would be to negotiate for another year because the farm system just doesn't have the depth or impact that TB has.
Approach Anaheim about a SS, they're loaded with MI talent in the minors.
Draft Collegians, you need those bats and arms soon.  Also, look for players who slip due to signability reasons and take them anyways, you need all the talent you can get and it's not going to come through free agency.

by CrimsonLiederhosen on May 11, 2005 2:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What to do
For my second, and a serious posting on this issue, I'll try something constructive.

The only thing this team can do is try to pull off a Bartolo Colon-to-Montreal or Brian Giles-to-San Diego trade.  While Sweeney is hot and not injured, you have to find someone that needs a 1B bat, with $$ and prospects.

Trade Sweeney to the Dodgers for Guzman, Tiffany, Jackson and anything else you can fleece out of them.  I thought the Dodgers and Cubs should've given Choi a real shot, but you can't expect them to sit on Choi and Saenz at first if Sweeney is available.  Try to get at least 3 top-tier prospects and pray 2 make it.  If those 2 start to turn into stars, immediately trade 1 of them for 3 more upper-level prospects and try to rebuild your team.

Second option is to trade him to the Mets and try to get Milledge, Humber and Petit.  I know it sounds like a long-shot, but at least get 2 of them, and you should be ok.

The Royals have Lubanski, Buck, DeJesus, Greinke and Teahen to build around, but nobody else on that team is worth anything.

by lenred on May 11, 2005 3:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Is it really that bad?
Keeping in mind I am a Royal fan and have trouble being objective.... it seems like the Royals have a solid amount of young talented pitching to build on -- the one area they cannot afford to fill through free agency.  They may not have the impact bats TB does, but does TB have as much promising young pitching outside of Kazmir (a genuine, not rhetorical question)?  I also think when evaluating their minor league system you have to take into account that in most other organizations, many of the players on the ML roster would still be in the minors (Teahen, Gotay, Burgos, Nunez, Sisco, and possibly Buck and Bautista).  Butler looks like he may be an impact bat, and to a lesser extent Huber too.  I could get burned, but I'm much more optimistic than most of the other posters and I am hopeful that the team can make a postseason run in '07 or so.  

by BDA on May 11, 2005 4:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Team Construction...
  1. Trade Ken Harvey to the Devil Rays for Jonny Gomes.  The Rays hate Gomes because he isn't super fast.  But he draws BB's and hits for tons of power.  The Rays like high average players and Harvey was an All-star.. hah.. Lamar would do the deal.. Gimme the phone.
  2. Andres Blanco will never hit but lots of teams have been after him.  He was mentioned with Affeldt for Kearns.  I'd throw in Snyder if they want a pitcher.. Blanco, Affeldt, Snyder for Kearns.
  3. Shop Angel Berroa, Mike Aviles down at Wichita has a shot at 15+ HR's this year at SS.  He's a potential .300 hitter at the major league level with solid BB:K ratios if unspectacular BB:PA ratios.
  4. Take the load off Andy Sisco.. don't give him dead arm again.. Reconvert him to a starter at Omaha next season to step into the rotation.
  5. Promote J.P. Howell to Wichita and give him some reps in Sept.  His ERA is approaching 1.00 at the Coors Field of the California League.  He's striking out nearly 11 guys per 9 innings and routinely posts 10:1 GB:FB ratios in starts.
  6. Trade the wild thing Macdougal if you can.
  7. Push Gotay with Donald Murphy, Murphy is a better defender and has as high an offensive ceiling.
  8. Put Huber at 1B, and bring Pickering back up to DH.
  9. Trade Sweeney to the M-E-T-S for Petit and either Victor Diaz or Lastings Milledge.. If they are contending, they'll do it.  Remember Minaya's firesale for Colon.  And the Wilpon pressure to compete..
B.A. is done.. I'm calling Tommy John now.
I'd release Lima now.

New Rotation:

  1. Greinke
  2. Bautista
  3. Hernandez
  4. Mike Wood
  5. Jimmy Gobble
New lineup:
CF: David Dejesus
LF: Austin Kearns
RF: Jonny Gomes
1B: Justin Huber
2B: Gotay/Murphy
SS: Berroa/Murphy(was a SS in the low minors)
3B: Teahen
C:  Buck
DH: Pickering

At AA/AAA for next season:(Petit & Howell)

Opening 06' rotation

  1. Greinke
  2. Bautista
  3. Hernandez
  4. Petit
  5. Howell

by dyehardfan on May 12, 2005 12:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You're Hired!
dyehardfan, that's quite possibly the most intelligent, well-thought-out response I've seen in these GM threads.  The Gomes idea is a masterstroke.  And the Kearns plan is a coup, yet believable at the same time. I don't think the Mets will be so quick to move Petit at this point, but Milledge is a possibility.

One thing.  Why does everyone think Huber is all-of-a-sudden the answer at first base?  In my opinion (and this may be your's as well, as you really didn't chime in on him that much), he would be a below average offensive first baseman.  Perhaps even one of the worst five to eight in baseball.  I'd try to aim higher for my first baseman -- maybe someone like James Loney in the Dodgers system.  I'm also a huge fan of trying to find a way to snatch Scott Hairston away from the D-backs.  Great offensive potential, wherever he ends up playing.

And long live the Pick...

by Bodhizefa on May 12, 2005 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Upton
if Justin Upton falls into my lap, i'm signing him.. then act like we now have the Labron James of baseball.. bring him up next year. KC has loyal fellowship, so it might keep/bring fans to the games

if it gets decent revenew, we sign FA's. good ones (pick any position, theres nothing we don't need)

like TB, we need a batch of pitching prospects (trade Sweeney this year, though im not 100% sure because of how fans might react.. it could be deadly.  however, i'm defenitly trading Affeldt, Macdougal, Harvey)

keep Berroa/Gotay.. hope Butler and Huber develop big

whatever happens - i dont lose hope and keep remembering, its only the AL Central

by ufo on May 12, 2005 4:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

oops
for FA's, not any position.. mostly just OF and Pitching .. we might have the infield set with Huber/Gotay/Berroa/Butler .. any team that needs a C should go after Saltalamachia or maybe one of pittsburgh's?

by ufo on May 12, 2005 4:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

buck
ok, Buck is fine but if i can get Salty cheap then i do it .. i'm starting to think that trading Sweeney is DEADLY.  he's the last crutch of the organization..  if we can get a little "Upton" phenomenon going, along with a "Grienke" phenomenon, then i want Sweeney around for that .. even if he only plays 25% of the games.. its good for the fans and the team

hehe ok i'm done now

by ufo on May 12, 2005 4:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybin?
Why draft a guy 4 years from the bigs? I usually like HS players but I think they need help soon and if you can get an impact bat that can help in two years I'd take that.

by rickieweekshof2028 on May 12, 2005 4:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

2 or 4 years?
no way.. it has to be Griffey Jr style.. we need press and we need it now

by ufo on May 12, 2005 5:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whoever gets the job...
The first thing Kansas City has got to do is stop wasting money.  Yes, they may be the smallest spenders, but at least they could spend their money wisely.  I don't mind playing a AAAA player like Emil Brown.  If you're as bad as the Royals are, you're bound to have some guys like that on the roster.  What kills the Royals is that they have guys that should be bench players (at best) in the top 5 of their salary.  Long making $4.5 mil?  Paying Eli Marerro $3+ mil?  Nothing about Marrero's career track should have led you to believe he should have that much value.  I might be a little biased being a  Cards fan, but look at what teams like that do:  guys like Nunez and Pulsipher were N-R invitees to camp, and Nunez is essentially what Marrero is, a multi-position, decent bat guy off the bench.  And Nunez costs nest to nothing.  Remove those two salaries and tell me you can't get one good/great outfielder for almost $8 mil.  Steve Finley signed for $7 mil.  At least with a guy like Emil Brown you're only out pretty much the league minimum.  You may as well throw Ken Harvey out in left and let him do his best instead of putting Long out there, who I just cannot believe makes that much cash to suck that bad.  Matt Diaz could definitely do just fine in the outfield of KC
Trading Sweeney would be a good option if they can get maximum value, but unless Baird gets his doors knocked off by a great offer, you may as well keep the only great everyday player you have right now.

by sdangler on May 12, 2005 11:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tough Nut
Good Luck to whoever is dumb enough to take the Royals job. If history is a guide you will be fired about the time the team begins a real turnaround.

It's a crime this team is saddled with Long, Marrero, and Brown. They are tying up real money and they are underperforming. Why the Royals don't give Matt Diaz the LF job just amazes me.

I don't understand the rush to dump Sweeney. If we unload him the over/under on the number of times the Royals get no-hit this season jumps to 5. The other problem with dumping him is that his contract and his value are about the same. It will be hard to talk anyone into taking his contract and to give us something good in return.

If you insist on playing Harvey (can't we just shoot this guy) you have to keep him away from most RHed pitchers. The guy has no conception of the strike zone. Just be sure that when you trade him you get something worth while.

Berroa is the same but at least he is an SS with some defensive value. If the Reds are willing to take him and some of our other debris for Kearns you gotta think about it, but remember Kearns had declined inperformance each of the last two years.

As far as I am concerned Berroa, Harvey, Affeldt, Snyder, Stairs, Brown, Marrero, Long, Lima, Anderson, Macdougal, Cerda, Graffanino, and Castillo can be unloaded for whatever you can get.

I have to believe in something, so I believe I will have another cigar.

by kcboomer on May 12, 2005 2:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Royals are synonymous with rebuilding...
Pitching- Moving Anderson and Lima will be a start.  Maybe you could get something of value for them if they would actually pitch well.  Maybe you could get some chlorine for the fountains or something that might actually be useful.  The young pitchers are going to have to learn on the job and log innings in order to improve.  The only changes I would make are moving Burgos and Sisco out of the late inning roles that they occupy now.  I'm not sure that much pressure is necessary on two talented young pitchers who really haven't pitched above A ball.

The offense will remain pathetic this season.  There isn't away around that.  There are some options though:
1.    Platoon Pickering and Harvey at 1B.
2.    DH Sweeney.  This way maybe a National League team forgets how bad he is at 1B.  This might also keep his back healthy until he can be shipped out!
3.    Give Diaz a real shot and make Emil Brown disappear.
4.    Accelerate the promotion process of Justin Huber and leave him at 1B.  
5.    Move Billy Butler to LF or 1B and let his bat move through the system.

The herd congregating around the 1B/DH roles will be thinned by dealing Sweeney and banishing Harvey once Huber is comfortable at the big league level.  Butler will have the opportunity to play LF and if that doesn't work he can settle in nicely as the DH/1B compliment to Huber.

If Butler can stick in LF you have your young slugging outfielder.  If not the attention has to be turned towards other solutions such as the signing of Rondell White a few seasons ago.  A young outfielder could also be acquired in a deal but that seems unlikely so the best bet would be to draft an advanced player through the draft with the second pick this season.

I would hire Frank White and instill a strong defensive work ethic.  The late 90's Twins come to mind.  Having the kids take infield everyday and working them might be the best bet.  Creating competition between the young players might speed up the maturation process as well.  This is why I would promote guys like Murphy and Blanco as long as they could hold their own with the big club.

Trade Block:
1.    Mike Sweeney
2.    Jeremy Affeldt
3.    David DeJesus (gasp) DeJesus will never see the Royals winning so gage interest now and see what you could bring back in return.  
4.    Anderson and Lima?  I remember hearing a sucker was born every minute.

Finally I would fire Baird and do whatever it took to hire Grady Fuson away from the Padres.  If there was no way possible I would promote (insert name here) the scout who brought Greinke and Butler to the organization.  This would be a step in the right direction for the farm system.  With that said, the emphasis needs to stay on drafting players who are close to contributing such as Greinke and Butler.  You can be sure that no quality free agents will be fighting to be the next star in KC.  

by riktermiller on May 12, 2005 6:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Quick-and-Dirty rebuilding plan
So, I'm the GM? Great. Let's tear everything apart.

There is some talent here, but not nearly enough to actually compete in the next few years. Let's get realistic about that fact right now. First things first;

SHORT TERM

  1. Trade Mike Sweeney ASAP, while he's tearing the cover off the ball and before injuries set in. Priority on getting a bonafide prospect if possible, while saving money comes second. Once the back starts aching, this possibility disappears due to contractual concerns. This will run fans the wrong way, but isn't the voluminous losing doing that anyways?
  2. Play veterans everywhere as much as possible, showcasing for trades. Vets to be dealt: Graffanino, Harvey, Lima, BAnderson, Truby. Let the prospects develop in Omaha.
  3. Hire puppet manager who's mandate is to do whatever I say, or he's fired. Manager must espouse patience for hitters and throwing strikes for pitchers. Repeat process for every manager throughout minors.
  4. Draft either Upton/Gordon and sign with money saved on Sweeney deal. Get Glass on board with plan in job interview that landed me this position in the first place.
  5. Draft mostly college talent this and every year, as lack of $$$ will necessitate constant re-supply of MLB roster through farm.
  6. A quirky one; sign Rickey Henderson to play LF and assign DeJesus to sit by his side all the time. Stats show that teams with Rickey are more patient than before they signed him. After season, offer Rickey batting coach position whenever he wants it. Keep re-signing Rickey until he takes it (the batting coach job).
LONG TERM
  1. Without a doubt, the top priority (after the temporal importance of dealing Sweeney) is signing Zack Grienke to a long term deal, including 1 or 2 free agent years. Recent signings of Sheets/Santana prove this is possible for a small market team.
  2. Get DeJesus signed as well, before he really busts out.
  3. Sign Greg Maddux as a free agent, and (like Rickey), keep him until he becomes your pitching coach. Aside from being the smartest pitcher ever, he also spent a decade playing for Leo Mazzone.
  4. Don't rush prospects so much. Have plenty of NRI's around so as to delay starting of service clocks. And for crying out loud, quit keeping obvious failures around and wishing they were something they're not.

by superpriebe on May 14, 2005 2:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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