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Jim Bowden

The Critique the GM! feature is popular, so we will add it to the rotation. It also doesn't take a lot of work from me, which during the book crunch is a major help!

Today's topic of critique is Nationals GM Jim Bowden, certainly a more controversial figure than Terry Ryan. What do you guys think of Bowden? Please analyze and critique using logic and facts. . .keep vitriol to a minimum please.

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I think a lot of moves he made to generate intrest in nationals no matter how horrible everyone else knew they were (Guzman) so I'll give him a LITTLE credit for that.

That said though I wouldnt want him with 500 miles of my team (and the sox did interview him whewwwwwwww......)

by goalieguy on Dec 17, 2005 11:00 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Bowden, Bowden, Bowden
Hard to really say anything nice about him.  His teams have generally had nice farm systems, but he hasn't been able to make a whole lot of them.  

There was a lot of talent in Cincinnati, but instead of building around them, he went out and got Griffey instead of pitching.

The Expos were absolutely depleted under Minaya, but to Bowden's credit, he did let John Patterson, Chad Cordero and Ryan Zimmerman play.  He didn't trade Patterson, which was probably tempting last year.

His trade history is otherwise pretty dismal though -

Even though Sean Casey for Dave Burba looks pretty decent, the trade blocked Paul Konerko, who was eventually flipped for Mike Cameron, who was eventually turned into Ken Griffey.  Griffey and Casey's contracts also became major issues.

Now, I'm not sure how much blame he really gets for Griffey - obviously Griffey was expensive, but no one saw the horrendous injuries coming.  If he can be criticized for something in that series of deals, it's that after he cut costs with the Casey trade, the deals just got more expensive, culminating with Griffey's albatross contract.  

Bowden's kind of GM that looks to land the big fish, thinking that such a big fish will turn his entire club around.  And that leads to questionable decisions.  I'm not sure if this comes from the pressures of working under Marge Schott, but it's burned him once, and it will burn him again.

Obviously the Soriano trade is the worst of all - Brad Wilkerson is better than Soriano by himself.  A one year rental of Soriano and the 10 million that comes with him is bad enough.  But since Soriano isn't willing to move to the OF, and Bowden's read the reports and quotes, he's creating a logjam at second.    

Bowden was perfectly set with Wilkerson and Vidro hopefully healthy next year, but he went and messed it up to land that big fish, which he apparently thinks Soriano is.

I can give him some credit for getting rid of Vinny Castilla though - even though it's his fault in the first place that Vinny was with the team, he saw that Zimmerman was ready, and fixed the problem by dealing the over the hill veteran.  He even got a pitcher who's not too old, and can eat innings at the back of a rotation.  That Lawrence was in a pitcher's park is at least mitigated by the fact that RFK is more of a pitcher's park.

Christian Guzman for 4 years is also inexcusable.  At 4 million+ a year, it's atrocious.  

While Frank Robinson obviously isn't a great manager, he does bring the reputation, and might bring in fans.  So it's not completely fair to ride Bowden for retaining Robinson.

It's kind of funny that he gets bashed so much, because Bowden actually knows his farm systems very well.  He just tends to get blinded by money and big players, which then leads to horrendous decisions.  That's what he should be derided for, not any ignorance.

by sasquatch83 on Dec 17, 2005 12:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

GOOD IF YOU'RE AN OUTFIELDER OR AGENT
FACT; JIM BOWDEN LIKES OUTFIELDERS

LOTS AND LOTS OF OUTFIELDERS...

FACT;  JIM BOWDEN ONCE PUT TOGETHER AN INFIELD THAT INCLUDED:  "POKEY" AND "GOOKIE"!!!

by TOLAXOR on Dec 17, 2005 12:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

If he likes outfielders so much...
why did he just trade away 2 good ones for a guy who makes too much money for his skills at position the Nats already have a regular at?

by AucklandGM on Dec 17, 2005 4:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What do you mean?
Bowden acquired Soriano with the intent to move him to the outfield.

by Sulla on Dec 17, 2005 8:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget
Bernard Gilkey was patrolling the outfield on that team.

Pokey, Gookie and Gilkey.

Not quite Tinkers to Evers to Chance but it rhymes better.

by Guyute on Dec 18, 2005 1:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

FACT
TOLAXOR likes the CAPITAL LETTERS

by akk99 on Dec 21, 2005 6:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bowden
Living in the DC area, I've been "privy" to the Bowden regime for the last year.  I really don't have much good to say about him from his time with the Nationals.  While I understand that he was trying to generate buzz about the Nats in the area by signing big name players such as Castilla and Guzman (a buzz that was already present and didn't need any help from Bowden), he seems completely unable to differentiate between someone with name recognition, and someone with a skill set that can actually help his team.  In his first year with the Nats, Bowden has largely become a punchline in this area.  His trade for Soriano already looks like a disaster, as Soriano does not want to play the outfield, and Bowden has to deal a better player in Wilkerson to get him.

Bowden seems far better to his role on Cold Pizza, where he can get his face on tv and self-promote to his heart's content.  Because he certainly has no business running a baseball team.

by RVachon on Dec 17, 2005 12:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Vitriol Rule
The "minimal vitriol" rule pretty much keeps me from making an extensive posting of my thoughts, but here are a few issues, as I see them:

Beyond the specific moves, which mostly stack up against Bowden, the biggest problem I have is that he doesn't seem to have a plan.  He reacts to problems as they arise rather than anticipating them; he goes after the biggest name and the toolsiest OFs without really considering the long-term goal of building a consistent winner.  Perhaps that's just the nature of the situation he's in in DC, but I didn't get a sense that he was any better in Cincinnati.  That was my biggest problem with most of the deals he made as Nats GM -- it doesn't matter if Junior Spivey, or Preston Wilson, or Castilla, or even Esteban Loaiza work out well or not -- none of them were ever going to be part of a truly good Nationals team.  Why waste energy, spare talent, and money pursuing/signing them when what you really need is to think about the next five years of the franchise's future?

by Joltin Joe Orsulak on Dec 17, 2005 1:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

re: plan
Well, it's evident he doesn't have a plan. I think there are too reasons for this. First, Jim Bowden isn't much of a planner. Second, he's likely not part of the future so he's unwilling to do short term pain / long term gain moves.

But what totally shows his ineptitude is that these signings/trades he makes for short term gain end up painful immediately. The icing on the cake is that everyone but the most casual fan knew that Castilla and Guzman weren't players but he couldn't see it...

starring Alfonso Soriano as Vinny C in RFK part deux

by natsfan2005 on Dec 17, 2005 2:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jerry Owens for Escobar
Bowden traded away Jerry Owens for the brittle Alex Escobar. The same Jerry Owens that led the Southern League in batting average and is now amongst the leaders in the VWL. The Double A transition was obviously not the hurdle that Bowden must have envisaged when he deemed the former UCLA wide receiver expendable.

by doofusme on Dec 17, 2005 1:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

trying to think of something nice to say
i think brian lawrence for vinny was a nice pickup. jose guillen has worked out well for them, even though at the time i thought they should just promote rivera for the same job (and keep izturis). um... that may be it. everything else he's done is somewhere between bad and unspeakably bad.

by jpahk on Dec 17, 2005 4:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

he does do one thing especially well...
... find cheap, relatively decent pitchers.  He is good at finding the Pete Schoureks, Pete Harnischses, Jeff Brantleys, Paul Wilsons and Esteban Loaizas, whom everybody forgot about after injuries or a bad season or two, but who can still contribute.  He was even smart enough to trade one of them, Denny Neagle, and get Bret Boone back.

As good as he is at that, though, he is equally bad at getting any pitcher who is any better than decent.  The Reds have not had one truly good starting pitcher since Jose Rijo's arm exploded.  In 1994.  That is just a travesty.  I don't care what payroll constraints you're under.  That's completely unacceptable, not to even come up with one consistently good starter, through trade or the farm system or free agency or any way at all, in ten years.  There is no way any team could ever win like that.

The points made about Ryan's inability to get anything accomplished with a surplus of OF apply even more so to Bowden, who had four potential All-Star OF and a mediocre 1B, and apparently liked it that way.  In fact, until this year (when Bowden was gone) there was a lot more talk about getting rid of Dunn, Kearns or Pena than getting rid of Casey, which would have been crazy.  The whole situation was ridiculous, especially when, again, they had no pitching and a trade here really could have helped.

Let's also remember that part of the GM's job is hiring the manager.  Bowden fired a great one in Davey Johnson, and hired the below-average Bob Boone and the godawful Ray Knight.  Although Bowden did identify one good manager in Jack McKeon, his record in this area is weak overall.  if I'm not mistaken, MLB hired Frank Robinson, not him.

His trading record is actually ok; that's not the main problem with him.  He got Konerko for Shaw, Pena for Drew Henson, J. Guillen for J. Rivera, Taubensee and Hal Morris for nothing.  He also has some awful ones like J. Guillen for Harang and Wilkerson for Soriano.  It was certainly at least pointless, though not a huge loss, to give up a potentially decent starting pitcher in order to bring in Wilson for two months and bench Ryan Church, especially when Church is probably the better player to begin with. I won't get on Bowden for the Griffey trade, since anyone would have made that trade... nor will I give him credit for it, though, if only because 1) Griffey insisted on being traded specifically to Cincinnati, 2) he almost blew the whole thing by making Pokey Reese "untradeable" and 3) he later wanted to trade Griffey for Phil Nevin.  

Bowden hasn't done many major FA signings, being in small markets, but two of the most notable ones, Castilla and Guzman, were really bad.  He somewhat redeemed the Castilla move by trading him for Lawrence.  Guzman is just a major, major mistake (and not recognizing that he's now a sunk cost is only compounding the problem.)  He sometimes pulls out a good smaller signing of a forgotten or injured hitter, like J. Guillen and Ron Gant -- similar to what he does with pitchers, albeit less often.

Bowden is not the very worst out there, but I definitely don't want him GM'ing my team.

and boom goes the dynamite.

by Mean Dean on Dec 17, 2005 7:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

re
Harang has come around.  He was damn good last year.  

by bootsy on Dec 19, 2005 6:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Worse than Baird
I think you guys have covered all the bases. I guess this is the place to mention that on the bulletin board of my new dynasty league (hey, check it out in my diary) I set up poster rankings, where depending on how many posts you've made, you get named this or that GM. Anyhoo, to make a short story long, it takes five posts to get labeled Allard Baird, but just one to get libeled as a Jim Bowden. I think that says it all. Jim Bowden is, to me, worse than Allard Baird. Because his ambitions are so much higher.

by igreen01 on Dec 17, 2005 10:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

this is not the forum for it
but i think baird isn't even that bad any more. he's made a lot of positive moves in the last couple of years, some of which have even panned out. denny bautista for jason grimsley, and justin huber for jose bautista, and a couple other nice moves i can't think of right now. you could make a reasonable argument that he has learned on the job and is now at least as competent as the average GM.

by jpahk on Dec 17, 2005 11:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lack of attention to details
I think the thing that I've found most frustrating has been his apparent lack of attention to the little things that win....like assembling a bench and making sure you have enough starting pitching to get through the season.  The Nats lacked pitching at the high minors and had a major league staff made up of pitchers with injury histories...yet, Bowden released Cladio Vargas and Sunny Kim, and traded Zach Day and Tohma Ohka in deals designed to help our offense (which didn't).  When Armas and Drese went down with injuries (and Halama failed), we were left scrambling for starters at the end of the year.  While we got VERY lucky with Carrasco as a starter, Bowden's efforts weakened our pitching overall while our offense did not improve.  Why he did these moves when we had a 2B at AA hitting .400 (Short) and 3 productive OFers is beyond me.

Also, Bowden assembled a horrible bench.  Bennet, Carrol, and Baerga (and Guzman) played amost 2 full season's of below replacement level baseball.

His bench this off season is better, but how many second basemen can we use?  Paying Marlon Anderson that kind of money is not a luxury that this team can afford.  

by vaclipper on Dec 18, 2005 10:10 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

His past
Does anyone know how he came to be a GM? Was he a former player or scout?

He does make some odd moves...of the high risk, low reward variety. I suspect if Griffey didn't get hurt with the Reds, he would be viewed in a whole different light. To his credit, the Reds seemingly had quite a pipeline of talent coming through their farms system a few years back...some that became true MLs (Dunn) and some that didn't quite work out (Gookster).

Overall, though, he is a below average GM.

by akk99 on Dec 18, 2005 10:41 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

bowden
My view on Bowden:

He's good at picking up undervalued spare parts, or at least he did this in Cincinnati. But otherwise I don't think he is especially competent. However, he can't be all bad, since I know for a fact that he reads my books.

by John Sickels on Dec 18, 2005 12:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Reading Books
Hey John, I read your books too, but at least I apply the knowledge gained somehow :-)

by rifle24 on Dec 19, 2005 2:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bowden
I have only one comment, well, really it is a question. How does Bowden keep getting hired?

This is the same as ESPN hiring Steve Phillips as an expert to "break down" trades and free agent signings. What would he know about that?

by rifle24 on Dec 19, 2005 2:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Bowden
He isn't the worst general manager around, but Bowden is amazingly bad for someone who has held the job for more than a decade. His main problem is roster churn: he acts like a fantasy GM, constantly shuffling parts in reaction to the emergency of the moment. His teams seem to lead the league in number of players used every year. Sometimes the deals work, sometimes they don't, but there is never any evidence of a long-term plan. Trading pitching depth last year for short-term injury replacements is a great example.

by shalimar on Dec 19, 2005 2:30 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Bowden in Cincinnati
Bowden is not as bad as many here suggest.  Certainly has his share of interesting trades/acquisitions.  Definitely gets the best value out of the waiver wire/minor league free agent pickups.  Tends to focus more on hitting than pitching, and unfortunately, too much on the all speed/no stick type hitters.  I could have sworn that was Bowden, not O'Brien, making a trade for Tony Womack.

The trades Jose Guillen for Aaron Harang deal was made 2 days after Bowden was fired.  As was the Aaron Boone for Brandon Claussen deal.  The asst GM that made those deals provided the only two good starters in the Reds rotation.  Dan O'B then signed the FA duds Milton, Ortiz, and Wilson.  

I disagree with the negative comments regarding the Jose Guillen deal.  Guillen was in Cincinnati on a 1-yr deal as the 4th OFer.  He received a lot of playing time with all the injuries and was already complaining about playing time when the 3 starters were healthy.  He also was in the midst of a career year, never seeing above 800 OPS before.  With Wily Mo Pena being forced onto the active roster the following year, Guillen was a definite sell high candidate.  And, as someone else pointed out, Harang is coming off a very good season.  

Back to Bowden: I would also like to point out the 7/8th of the Reds projected starting lineup was either drafted or acquired via trade during Bowden's tenure:

C - Larue - drafted 5th round 1995
1B - Dunn - drafted 2nd round 1998
SS - Lopez - received in trade for Elmer Dessens
3B - Encarnacion - received in trade for Rob Bell
LF - Pena - received in trade for D. Henson
CF - Griffey - received in trade for Cameron, etal
RF - Kearns - drafted 1st round 1998

by rojosoto on Dec 20, 2005 11:34 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Bowden - good and the bad
Bowden has a penchant for getting hooked on "five tool" players. As a lifelong Reds fan, seeing guys like Deion Sanders, Reggie Taylor and Ruben Mateo getting shuttled thru was a major irritant.

Bowden's fly by the seat of his pants manor and trading for trading's sake combined to make the Reds a rudderless ship, having zero plan for the future, just working on being competitive day to day.

His last draft, 2002, was by far his worst, with literally 1 to 2 players who've made any impact in the system at all.

The end came when the lack of planning for the future showed itself when the team flopped badly in the first year of the opening of the new ballpark. Bowden stepped on toes, had wild trades repeatedly vetoed by ownership, and had burned all his bridges up to that point, making the teams poor performance the final straw.

It just seemed that as the new stadium got closer, Bowden just cashed in his chips in Cincy and let the system rot.

Now, all that being said, he is a perfect fit for what the Nationals need right now.

One thing he excelled at in Cincinnati was taking spare parts, retreads and castoffs, which is exactly what the Nationals need. To be competitive for the short term, to build up excitement, then to find a long term GM solution to plug in there to get the team on the right long term track.

The Soriano trade is a gamble I wouldn't have made, but it could pay off big time if he can flip him for something else, or trade Vidro in the near future. Wilkerson will turn into a stud in Texas IMO.

The signing of Castilla didn't turn out too badly, as he's off the payroll now, but Guzman's contract may go down as one of the worst ever.

Sad thing is, Bowden strikes me, baseball smarts wise, as the perfect Asst. GM to a strong willed GM, who can take his knack for finding value in the trash heap and combine it with long term goals. But Bowden's ego, which is the size of the Washington Monument, will never allow him to step back to that level.

He nees more of the "vision thing" which he's always lacked.

It wouldn't surprise me to see him get run out of DC in the not so distant future.

by jmcclain19 on Dec 21, 2005 12:43 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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