Critique Jim Bowden

Jim Bowden
The Critique the GM! feature is popular, so we will add it to the rotation. It also doesn't take a lot of work from me, which during the book crunch is a major help!
Today's topic of critique is Nationals GM Jim Bowden, certainly a more controversial figure than Terry Ryan. What do you guys think of Bowden? Please analyze and critique using logic and facts. . .keep vitriol to a minimum please.
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not good
That said though I wouldnt want him with 500 miles of my team (and the sox did interview him whewwwwwwww......)
by goalieguy on Dec 17, 2005 11:00 AM EST 0 recs
Bowden, Bowden, Bowden
There was a lot of talent in Cincinnati, but instead of building around them, he went out and got Griffey instead of pitching.
The Expos were absolutely depleted under Minaya, but to Bowden's credit, he did let John Patterson, Chad Cordero and Ryan Zimmerman play. He didn't trade Patterson, which was probably tempting last year.
His trade history is otherwise pretty dismal though -
Even though Sean Casey for Dave Burba looks pretty decent, the trade blocked Paul Konerko, who was eventually flipped for Mike Cameron, who was eventually turned into Ken Griffey. Griffey and Casey's contracts also became major issues.
Now, I'm not sure how much blame he really gets for Griffey - obviously Griffey was expensive, but no one saw the horrendous injuries coming. If he can be criticized for something in that series of deals, it's that after he cut costs with the Casey trade, the deals just got more expensive, culminating with Griffey's albatross contract.
Bowden's kind of GM that looks to land the big fish, thinking that such a big fish will turn his entire club around. And that leads to questionable decisions. I'm not sure if this comes from the pressures of working under Marge Schott, but it's burned him once, and it will burn him again.
Obviously the Soriano trade is the worst of all - Brad Wilkerson is better than Soriano by himself. A one year rental of Soriano and the 10 million that comes with him is bad enough. But since Soriano isn't willing to move to the OF, and Bowden's read the reports and quotes, he's creating a logjam at second.
Bowden was perfectly set with Wilkerson and Vidro hopefully healthy next year, but he went and messed it up to land that big fish, which he apparently thinks Soriano is.
I can give him some credit for getting rid of Vinny Castilla though - even though it's his fault in the first place that Vinny was with the team, he saw that Zimmerman was ready, and fixed the problem by dealing the over the hill veteran. He even got a pitcher who's not too old, and can eat innings at the back of a rotation. That Lawrence was in a pitcher's park is at least mitigated by the fact that RFK is more of a pitcher's park.
Christian Guzman for 4 years is also inexcusable. At 4 million+ a year, it's atrocious.
While Frank Robinson obviously isn't a great manager, he does bring the reputation, and might bring in fans. So it's not completely fair to ride Bowden for retaining Robinson.
It's kind of funny that he gets bashed so much, because Bowden actually knows his farm systems very well. He just tends to get blinded by money and big players, which then leads to horrendous decisions. That's what he should be derided for, not any ignorance.
by sasquatch83 on Dec 17, 2005 12:04 PM EST 0 recs
GOOD IF YOU'RE AN OUTFIELDER OR AGENT
LOTS AND LOTS OF OUTFIELDERS...
FACT; JIM BOWDEN ONCE PUT TOGETHER AN INFIELD THAT INCLUDED: "POKEY" AND "GOOKIE"!!!
by TOLAXOR on Dec 17, 2005 12:04 PM EST 0 recs
If he likes outfielders so much...
by AucklandGM on
Dec 17, 2005 4:47 PM EST
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What do you mean?
by Sulla on
Dec 17, 2005 8:36 PM EST
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Don't forget
Pokey, Gookie and Gilkey.
Not quite Tinkers to Evers to Chance but it rhymes better.
by Guyute on
Dec 18, 2005 1:02 AM EST
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Bowden
Bowden seems far better to his role on Cold Pizza, where he can get his face on tv and self-promote to his heart's content. Because he certainly has no business running a baseball team.
by RVachon on Dec 17, 2005 12:50 PM EST 0 recs
Vitriol Rule
Beyond the specific moves, which mostly stack up against Bowden, the biggest problem I have is that he doesn't seem to have a plan. He reacts to problems as they arise rather than anticipating them; he goes after the biggest name and the toolsiest OFs without really considering the long-term goal of building a consistent winner. Perhaps that's just the nature of the situation he's in in DC, but I didn't get a sense that he was any better in Cincinnati. That was my biggest problem with most of the deals he made as Nats GM -- it doesn't matter if Junior Spivey, or Preston Wilson, or Castilla, or even Esteban Loaiza work out well or not -- none of them were ever going to be part of a truly good Nationals team. Why waste energy, spare talent, and money pursuing/signing them when what you really need is to think about the next five years of the franchise's future?
by Joltin Joe Orsulak on Dec 17, 2005 1:15 PM EST 0 recs
re: plan
But what totally shows his ineptitude is that these signings/trades he makes for short term gain end up painful immediately. The icing on the cake is that everyone but the most casual fan knew that Castilla and Guzman weren't players but he couldn't see it...
by natsfan2005 on
Dec 17, 2005 2:15 PM EST
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Jerry Owens for Escobar
by doofusme on Dec 17, 2005 1:31 PM EST 0 recs
trying to think of something nice to say
by jpahk on Dec 17, 2005 4:35 PM EST 0 recs
he does do one thing especially well...
As good as he is at that, though, he is equally bad at getting any pitcher who is any better than decent. The Reds have not had one truly good starting pitcher since Jose Rijo's arm exploded. In 1994. That is just a travesty. I don't care what payroll constraints you're under. That's completely unacceptable, not to even come up with one consistently good starter, through trade or the farm system or free agency or any way at all, in ten years. There is no way any team could ever win like that.
The points made about Ryan's inability to get anything accomplished with a surplus of OF apply even more so to Bowden, who had four potential All-Star OF and a mediocre 1B, and apparently liked it that way. In fact, until this year (when Bowden was gone) there was a lot more talk about getting rid of Dunn, Kearns or Pena than getting rid of Casey, which would have been crazy. The whole situation was ridiculous, especially when, again, they had no pitching and a trade here really could have helped.
Let's also remember that part of the GM's job is hiring the manager. Bowden fired a great one in Davey Johnson, and hired the below-average Bob Boone and the godawful Ray Knight. Although Bowden did identify one good manager in Jack McKeon, his record in this area is weak overall. if I'm not mistaken, MLB hired Frank Robinson, not him.
His trading record is actually ok; that's not the main problem with him. He got Konerko for Shaw, Pena for Drew Henson, J. Guillen for J. Rivera, Taubensee and Hal Morris for nothing. He also has some awful ones like J. Guillen for Harang and Wilkerson for Soriano. It was certainly at least pointless, though not a huge loss, to give up a potentially decent starting pitcher in order to bring in Wilson for two months and bench Ryan Church, especially when Church is probably the better player to begin with. I won't get on Bowden for the Griffey trade, since anyone would have made that trade... nor will I give him credit for it, though, if only because 1) Griffey insisted on being traded specifically to Cincinnati, 2) he almost blew the whole thing by making Pokey Reese "untradeable" and 3) he later wanted to trade Griffey for Phil Nevin.
Bowden hasn't done many major FA signings, being in small markets, but two of the most notable ones, Castilla and Guzman, were really bad. He somewhat redeemed the Castilla move by trading him for Lawrence. Guzman is just a major, major mistake (and not recognizing that he's now a sunk cost is only compounding the problem.) He sometimes pulls out a good smaller signing of a forgotten or injured hitter, like J. Guillen and Ron Gant -- similar to what he does with pitchers, albeit less often.
Bowden is not the very worst out there, but I definitely don't want him GM'ing my team.
by Mean Dean on Dec 17, 2005 7:05 PM EST 0 recs
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by bootsy on
Dec 19, 2005 6:15 AM EST
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Cristian Guzman: 4 years, $16 million
by cmathewson on Dec 17, 2005 9:52 PM EST 0 recs
Worse than Baird
by igreen01 on Dec 17, 2005 10:38 PM EST 0 recs
this is not the forum for it
by jpahk on
Dec 17, 2005 11:12 PM EST
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lack of attention to details
Also, Bowden assembled a horrible bench. Bennet, Carrol, and Baerga (and Guzman) played amost 2 full season's of below replacement level baseball.
His bench this off season is better, but how many second basemen can we use? Paying Marlon Anderson that kind of money is not a luxury that this team can afford.
by vaclipper on Dec 18, 2005 10:10 AM EST 0 recs
His past
He does make some odd moves...of the high risk, low reward variety. I suspect if Griffey didn't get hurt with the Reds, he would be viewed in a whole different light. To his credit, the Reds seemingly had quite a pipeline of talent coming through their farms system a few years back...some that became true MLs (Dunn) and some that didn't quite work out (Gookster).
Overall, though, he is a below average GM.
by akk99 on Dec 18, 2005 10:41 AM EST 0 recs
bowden
He's good at picking up undervalued spare parts, or at least he did this in Cincinnati. But otherwise I don't think he is especially competent. However, he can't be all bad, since I know for a fact that he reads my books.
by John Sickels on Dec 18, 2005 12:28 PM EST 0 recs
Reading Books
by rifle24 on
Dec 19, 2005 2:19 PM EST
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Bowden
This is the same as ESPN hiring Steve Phillips as an expert to "break down" trades and free agent signings. What would he know about that?
by rifle24 on Dec 19, 2005 2:17 PM EST 0 recs
Bowden
by shalimar on Dec 19, 2005 2:30 PM EST 0 recs
Bowden in Cincinnati
The trades Jose Guillen for Aaron Harang deal was made 2 days after Bowden was fired. As was the Aaron Boone for Brandon Claussen deal. The asst GM that made those deals provided the only two good starters in the Reds rotation. Dan O'B then signed the FA duds Milton, Ortiz, and Wilson.
I disagree with the negative comments regarding the Jose Guillen deal. Guillen was in Cincinnati on a 1-yr deal as the 4th OFer. He received a lot of playing time with all the injuries and was already complaining about playing time when the 3 starters were healthy. He also was in the midst of a career year, never seeing above 800 OPS before. With Wily Mo Pena being forced onto the active roster the following year, Guillen was a definite sell high candidate. And, as someone else pointed out, Harang is coming off a very good season.
Back to Bowden: I would also like to point out the 7/8th of the Reds projected starting lineup was either drafted or acquired via trade during Bowden's tenure:
C - Larue - drafted 5th round 1995
1B - Dunn - drafted 2nd round 1998
SS - Lopez - received in trade for Elmer Dessens
3B - Encarnacion - received in trade for Rob Bell
LF - Pena - received in trade for D. Henson
CF - Griffey - received in trade for Cameron, etal
RF - Kearns - drafted 1st round 1998
by rojosoto on Dec 20, 2005 11:34 AM EST 0 recs
Bowden - good and the bad
Bowden's fly by the seat of his pants manor and trading for trading's sake combined to make the Reds a rudderless ship, having zero plan for the future, just working on being competitive day to day.
His last draft, 2002, was by far his worst, with literally 1 to 2 players who've made any impact in the system at all.
The end came when the lack of planning for the future showed itself when the team flopped badly in the first year of the opening of the new ballpark. Bowden stepped on toes, had wild trades repeatedly vetoed by ownership, and had burned all his bridges up to that point, making the teams poor performance the final straw.
It just seemed that as the new stadium got closer, Bowden just cashed in his chips in Cincy and let the system rot.
Now, all that being said, he is a perfect fit for what the Nationals need right now.
One thing he excelled at in Cincinnati was taking spare parts, retreads and castoffs, which is exactly what the Nationals need. To be competitive for the short term, to build up excitement, then to find a long term GM solution to plug in there to get the team on the right long term track.
The Soriano trade is a gamble I wouldn't have made, but it could pay off big time if he can flip him for something else, or trade Vidro in the near future. Wilkerson will turn into a stud in Texas IMO.
The signing of Castilla didn't turn out too badly, as he's off the payroll now, but Guzman's contract may go down as one of the worst ever.
Sad thing is, Bowden strikes me, baseball smarts wise, as the perfect Asst. GM to a strong willed GM, who can take his knack for finding value in the trash heap and combine it with long term goals. But Bowden's ego, which is the size of the Washington Monument, will never allow him to step back to that level.
He nees more of the "vision thing" which he's always lacked.
It wouldn't surprise me to see him get run out of DC in the not so distant future.
by jmcclain19 on Dec 21, 2005 12:43 PM EST 0 recs







