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Prospect Retro: Roy Halladay

Per Reader Request, a Prospect Retro for Roy Halladay

Roy Halladay was drafted in the first round by the Blue Jays in 1995, out of high school in Arvada, Colorado. The 17th overall pick, he was assigned to the Gulf Coast League and pitched well, going 3-5 in ten games but posting a solid 3.40 ERA and a 48/16 K/BB in 50 innings. I didn't give letter grades to new draft picks back then, but nowadays I'd probably have given him a Grade B at that point. Halladay's fastball was just average at that point, but he had an excellent breaking ball, and scouts felt his velocity would pick up after he matured physically.

Moved aggressively to the Florida State League in 1996, Halladay went 15-7, 2.73 in 27 starts. He posted a 109/46 K/BB ratio in 165 innings. His command was very impressive, but his K/IP was below average. As scouts expected, his velocity increased, up to 95 MPH at times. Oddly, this didn't improve his strikeout rate. Still, it was a solid overall season, and I gave him a Grade B+ in the 1997 book, rating him as the number 31 prospect in the game.

Halladay split 1997 between Double-A Knoxville and Triple-A Syracuse, going 9-13 with a combined 4.77 ERA. His K/BB was unimpressive at 94/64 in 162 innings. His numbers were all mediocre or worse, and it looked to me like he was being mishandled very badly by the Jays. I reduced him to Grade B in the 1998 book, still a solid rating, but was concerned that he was heading for trouble because of the way they were pushing him too quickly. "I'm not sure the Blue Jays will give him enough time to ripen. . .he is a candidate for Matt Drews Disease," I wrote, referencing the failed Yankees prospect who fell apart after being rushed to Triple-A too quickly.

The Blue Jays gave Halladay 21 starts in for Triple-A Syracuse in 1998. He improved considerably, going 9-5, 3.79, although his K/BB remained poor at 71/53 in 116 innings. His scouting reports were positive: 95 MPH fastball, the knuckle-curve, an improving slider. He received a September cup-of-coffee and threw a one-hitter in his second major league start. I moved him back up to Grade B+, but noted that his component ratios remained problematic and warned that immediate major league success was not a sure bet. At this point, there was still a disconnect between Halladay's scouting reports and his statistics.

The Jays used Halladay as a swingman in 1999, giving him 18 major league starts but also 18 relief appearances. He pitched well overall, going 8-7, 3.92, but his K/BB was not good at all, 82/79 in 149 innings. This was a warning sign for 2000, and indeed, he completely collapsed, posting a horrid 10.64 ERA in 68 innings for the Blue Jays, and pitching quite poorly even after being demoted to the minors (5.50, 38/21 K/BB in 74 innings for Syracuse). At this point, he looked very much like a young pitcher ruined by being promoted too quickly.

Realizing that Halladay was at a critical juncture, the Blue Jays completely rebuilt his mechanics early in 2001. By the end of the season, he was pitching well at the major league level, with a 3.16 ERA in 16 starts and a 96/25 K/BB in 105 innings. This was the best K/BB ratio of his career to that point, reflecting much better command. Scouts also said that Halladay was much more confident on the mound. During his previous struggles, he appeared overly tentative and lacked confidence in his stuff. By the end of '01, he looked like a completely different pitcher, sabermetrically and traditionally.

You know the rest of the story: brilliant pitching in 2002 and 2003, injury problems in '04 and '05, though effective when healthy.

Halladay's track record as a prospect was a mixed bag, noted by good scouting reports but shaky component ratios. I wasn't surprised at all that he collapsed in 2000. But I was surprised how quickly he rebuilt his career in 2001.

The question now is, how durable can Halladay be? The shoulder problem in '04 is more worrisome than the flukey broken leg in '05, but any time shoulder stuff crops up, I worry.

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Scary comps
What's frightening about Doc's comps is how poorly they have done in their 30's.  I suspect that Doc will do better, but I would have said the same thing about McDowell and Fernandez at age 28.

by Mike Green on Nov 9, 2005 2:52 PM EST   0 recs

yep
Yep, the comps ARE scary.

Halladay can be the best of all these guys, but I really worry about his durability.

by John Sickels on Nov 9, 2005 2:55 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

2002 and 2003
When it came time to do fantasy drafts for 2004, I avoided Halladay like the plague.  Why?  It probably had to do with the 500 or so innings he pitched in 2002 and 2003.  

Halladay is a great pitcher, but everything about him going into 2004 screamed "injury risk."  I don't know where he ranked on the pitcher abuse scale, but I bet it was pretty high.

It seems to me that the short year did him well, and he was brilliant in '05 before the broken leg.  

I fully expect him to be in Cy Young contention in 2006.  He should be at his peak these couple of years, and I think he's got both the command and the stuff to succeed into his mid-thirties.  

by sasquatch83 on Nov 9, 2005 2:55 PM EST   0 recs

Halladay is just plain scary when healthy
He is just scary to face because he can come at you with many different things, all above average (and higher) pitches. The broken leg was really too bad, and terrible luck, but the shoulder problems were scary. Did him some definite good, and perhaps this broken leg is a blessing in disguise, meaning he can be in top form for a few more years at least.

by ohad on Nov 9, 2005 3:05 PM EST   0 recs

PAP
Halladay's scores... (you enticed me to look them up) ...on Rany's STRESS scale:
  1. N/A
  2. 11 w/ 1 Cat 4 outing
  3. 11 w/ 1 Cat 4 outing
  4. 15 w/ 1 Cat 4 outing
It sure would be good of BP to fill-in the 2002 blanks, but from the nos., above it doesn't seem as though he's been abused by his manager, or otherwise.

by Azteca on Nov 9, 2005 4:10 PM EST   0 recs

Doc
Halladay's innings in '02-'03 aren't quite as abusive as they might seem because he keeps his pitch counts so low.  Very efficient pitcher, one of my favorites to watch on TV and in the boxscores.

by ben p on Nov 9, 2005 5:39 PM EST   0 recs

injury
I'm not too worried about Halladay getting hurt.  As mentioned above, he pitches a lot of innings because he's effecient.  He's not Livan Hernandez.  His injury this year was a freak occurrence, and not related to his pitching.

by IanCobb on Nov 9, 2005 5:56 PM EST   0 recs

Halladay
Being a Jays fan, I've really been impressed by Doc's development. He's had some early growing pains, but has steadly improved lately. When he first came up, he lacked the killer instinct to put batters away. Come to think about it Carpenter and now B. League had/have similar problems (may be an organization thing). When he came back from the minors, he had the aggresiveness that he lacked before. His goal became to get the hitters out with the fewest pitches as possible (which explains the reason that he pitches so many innings per start and has a low K/IP and has so many CG).

Below are the pitches/inning:

1999       16.6
2000       20.0 (bad year, sent to the minors)
2001       14.8
2002       14.6
2003       13.6
2004       15.5 (shoulder problems)
2005       13.4

For halladay, his problems were mostly a confidence issue (reflected by his walk totals). He was guilty of too much nibling of the strike zone. Barring injury, he should continue where he left off last year.

by parrot11 on Nov 9, 2005 6:10 PM EST   0 recs

Pitch Count
As an avid Jays and Halladay fan, I dont see how he's not going to dominate in the near future again. He's basicallly pitched two half years in a row, after shoulder problems in '04, and after Kevin Mench hit him with a line drive in '05. Up until that point, I dont think there would have been too much doubt about who the AL Cy Young award winner would be. He had the best season of his career, and thats saying something.

In terms of workload, yes he does pitch a lot of innings. However, had he pitched enough innings to qualify, his pitches per inning of 13.4, would have been the second lowest in the majors (Behind Carlos Silva, who walked 9 batters.) His pitches per plate appearance? 3.46, tied for 6th fewest.

The only thing he hasnt done in his career is strike out a billion people. The reason? Because at 0-2 he'll throw something nasty down low that gets grounded to Orlando Hudson for an easy out.

I was at the game where he threw a 1 hitter too, and let me tell you that was pretty awesome.

by Anders on Nov 10, 2005 2:02 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

thanks
thanks for the post John

by philblunt on Nov 9, 2005 7:13 PM EST   0 recs

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